Tiger Mark 1 vs SuperCobra.

[RazorbackSnr]

Hello Everyone!

Just bought a Tiger Mk 1 and its a very impressive ship.
.50LM, 6 pylons, 50 TC capacity etc.

Think it was 800,000Cr?

What makes a SuperCobra twice the price then???

Sorry for starting a new topic......

[Commander McLane]

What makes a SuperCobra twice the price then???

There are two possible answers to this question, depending on where you got the ship from:

1) If you installed Tiger.oxp and Supercobra.oxp, the question is not "what", but "who"; and the answer is: the respective ship designer, who have used their complete freedom to put a pricetag on their creations.

2) If you happen to use Realistic Shipyards instead, the answer is: a formula with which Lestradae has calculated a ship's value depending on its stats, taking into account everything and weighing it in a certain way. You can search for the formula in the very early RS-threads. (I am not using RS, because I don't want to strip the ship designers of their freedom to charge whatever they see fit (and whatever a pilot is ready to pay).)

[Eric Walch]

What makes a SuperCobra twice the price then???

Besides McLane's arguments: the super Cobra is much better when looking at the energy recharge rate. 4.5 vs. 7.0. With the super cobra you can stay cloaked forever because its recharge rate is higher than the energy consumption of the cloak.
For this it makes sense to make the SC very expensive: with permanent cloak you are invulnerable in combat.

[Commander McLane]

For this it makes sense to make the SC very expensive: with permanent cloak you are invulnerable in combat.

The downside is of course that you'll never make it to ELITE that way, because your kills are not counted.

[Wolfwood]

Grumble, grumble...

Both of those are ships that I simply refuse to install to my Oolite. They simply break the game and the game world by offering inexplicable power that is in no way in balance with, for example, the police or military ships.

[Frame]

Grumble, grumble...

Both of those are ships that I simply refuse to install to my Oolite. They simply break the game and the game world by offering inexplicable power that is in no way in balance with, for example, the police or military ships.

Yes the über-ship syndrome... ...

or U.S.S Super Cobra or U.S.S Tiger MK-1;-)...

would make a nice prefix to use for them though.. but
will surely be misunderstood..

Not quite fond of these either... But you can´t expect that people cares to take a look at existing ships in Oolite first, before designing one, these days, while on a personel level i think people should really try to balance their ships against the existing build in ships, note the "unwritten" rules, and then set the stats...

Luckly we have the option, to exclude them...

[RazorbackSnr]

Thanks chaps.(I think...)
Its just in my PCC with N.E.U and MShEnh., Shield Boosters etc. the Supercobra seems to die marginally slower than a MkIII. Tigers aren't much tougher...... Its Mussuranas that are an ABSOLUTE b'stard.

1.6 MILLION Cr's...........

Seems a lot.

One other thing(off topic, apologies...)
Can somebody PLEASE write an OXP so that Missiles and ECM are returned to normal. Like they used to be on 8-bit machines.

Some one launches a missile at me.....

I suupose now is as good a time as any to mention i'm colour blind. Cannisters and missiles and asteroids are all the same colour.

1: The warning klaxon is CRAP. She sometimes says it,"Incoming missile", sometimes she doesn't.
2: The message"Incoming Missile" is the same colour, font etc. as "Aft view" blah blah. Its just not noticeable enough when getting a bead on your fourth mamba in amongst maybe 6-7 pirates. By the time i've nearly put my left forefinger through the e button and therefore my keyboard im DEAD. Annoying if i've spent the last 40 kills in amongst rock hermits/salvage gangs etc. No Saves!
3: No E appears when running ECM either. I'd like to know if someone else is killing my missiles.
4. Why can some bounty hunters kill my ECMh missiles. 350Cr each!!!
5: Can you change the scanner colours???
Sorry if this has been discussed two years ago but i've only just broke 2000 kills so i havent been doing this long.

Thanks!!!!!

[Disembodied]

4. Why can some bounty hunters kill my ECMh missiles. 350Cr each!!!

This is the only one I'm remotely qualified to answer, so... hardheads aren't immune to ECMs. There's always a chance that an ECM pulse will pop one. Sod's Law dictates that this will happen at the least convenient moment!

[LittleBear]

Ok, here's a quick OXP hack "NoHardHeads.oxp".

http://www.box.net/shared/qqjojq4txn

Hard Heads now respond to ECM bursts in the same way as standard missiles, so will always be popped by an ECM blast. This applies to player missiles too. The HardHead will still be offered for sale in the shipyard, but don't waste your Credits on it as it will behave the same as a standard missile!

[Thargoid]

1: The warning klaxon is CRAP. She sometimes says it,"Incoming missile", sometimes she doesn't.
2: The message"Incoming Missile" is the same colour, font etc. as "Aft view" blah blah. Its just not noticeable enough when getting a bead on your fourth mamba in amongst maybe 6-7 pirates. By the time i've nearly put my left forefinger through the e button and therefore my keyboard im DEAD. Annoying if i've spent the last 40 kills in amongst rock hermits/salvage gangs etc. No Saves!
3: No E appears when running ECM either. I'd like to know if someone else is killing my missiles.
4. Why can some bounty hunters kill my ECMh missiles. 350Cr each!!!
5: Can you change the scanner colours???
Sorry if this has been discussed two years ago but i've only just broke 2000 kills so i havent been doing this long.

Thanks!!!!!

1) So change it for a different sound There are some custom sound OXPs in the wiki (look near the bottom below the full list for lists sorted by category, sounds is the first one). Or alternatively use any sound file (in .ogg format) that takes your fancy, renamed to warning.ogg and installed as an OXP (under <installdir>\AddOns\<oxpname>\Sounds) or in place of your existing file (<installdir>\oolite.app\Resources\Sounds\warning.ogg). It is possible to play a sound for incoming missiles too (your vocal warning), but that's slightly more complex to set up.
2) First step would be to install the Missile Analyser OXP. That will give you details (via a longer-lasting console message) of any missile fired at you except for a normal one. Better than nothing, and not too hard to recode to include those.
3) The fact they blow up isn't enough? Adding the E would be a trunk change. I don't think it's possible to detect an NPC ship firing it's ECM via scripting, at least without re-coding missile entities (both trunk and OXP).
4) Already covered, but to elaborate: on an ECM pulse hardheads have a 1 in 20 chance of exploding and another 1 in 20 chance of detonating (exploding does no damage, detonating inflicts damage to any ship within 250m of it). So basically there's a 1 in 10 chance an ECM pulse will pop a hardhead, and each press of the ECM button triggers 4 ECM pulses in sequence, with each pulse covering an increasing radius from the ship (so closer hardheads have more chance of going bang than distant ones do).
5) No, at least not without changing the trunk code.

[TGHC]

Ok, here's a quick OXP hack "NoHardHeads.oxp".

http://www.box.net/shared/qqjojq4txn

Hard Heads now respond to ECM bursts in the same way as standard missiles, so will always be popped by an ECM blast. This applies to player missiles too. The HardHead will still be offered for sale in the shipyard, but don't waste your Credits on it as it will behave the same as a standard missile!

So what's the point of a hardhead now? It's supposed to be an ECM hardened missile, not immune to ECM but toughened up. Now it's just the same as an ordinary missile and as you rightly say a waste of money. The main advantage of a hardhat is that you can improve your odds when jumped by a space gang when a couple of them have to run off temporarily whilst you sort out the others

[LittleBear]

I know but Razorback asked for an OXP that removes the hard heads and makes missiles behave as the did on 8 bit elite, so thats what the quick hack does. If you put the nohardheads.oxp in then all missiles are always zapped by ecm. I could add an equipment.plist to remove the hardhead from the shipyard as well.

[Captain Tylor]

would it be possible to have ECM just reduce damage done by hard head missiles as a middle ground

[Captain Tylor]

would it be possible to have ECM just reduce damage done by hard head missiles as a middle ground

[Captain Tylor]

would it be possible to have ECM just reduce damage done by hard head missiles as a middle ground