Saving at Rock Hermits (strict game)

[Cholmondely]

Context
OldThrashbarg and I have been bouncing a Jameson between us. He flies around in it for a bit and then chucks it over to me, I do the same and then return it to him.

Problem
He has twice saved at a Rock Hermit. Each time when I loaded the Jameson, I found myself at the main orbital station with the rock hermit nowhere to be found.

My latest.log just proclaims this:

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  ~  gubbins about OXPs which are not loaded in the strict game
12:21:16.342 [shipData.load.begin] +[OOShipRegistry(Singleton) allocWithZone:] (OOShipRegistry.m:1689): Loading ship data.
12:21:19.958 [plist.parse.failed] OOPropertyListFromData (OOPListParsing.m:72): Failed to parse /Users/accountname/Library/Application Support/Oolite/Managed AddOns/DisplayReputation1.4.oxz/Config/missiontext.plist as a property list.
Unexpected character { at line 1
12:21:26.657 [startup.complete] -[GameController applicationDidFinishLaunching:] (GameController.m:269): ========== Loading complete in 12.59 seconds. ==========
12:21:32.788 [searchPaths.dumpAll] +[ResourceManager logPaths] (ResourceManager.m:2240): Resource paths: strict
    
12:21:32.795 [shipData.load.begin] +[OOShipRegistry(Singleton) allocWithZone:] (OOShipRegistry.m:1689): Loading ship data.
12:21:33.552 [script.load.world.listAll] +[ResourceManager loadScripts] (ResourceManager.m:2132): Loaded 16 world scripts:
    Oolite Equipment Control 1.90
    Oolite Ship Library 1.90
    oolite-cloaking-device 1.90
    oolite-constrictor-hunt 1.90
    oolite-contracts-cargo 1.90
    oolite-contracts-helpers 1.90
    oolite-contracts-parcels 1.90
    oolite-contracts-passengers 1.90
    oolite-libPriorityAI 1.90
    oolite-nova 1.90
    oolite-populator 1.90
    oolite-primable-equipment-register 1.90
    oolite-registership 1.90
    oolite-thargoid-plans 1.90
    oolite-trumbles 1.90
    oolite-tutorial 1.90
12:22:05.079 [exit.context] -[OoliteApp terminate:] (OoliteApp.m:68): Exiting: Cocoa terminate event.

LogEvents is naturally disabled in strict mode. I'm on a MacBookAir9,1, 8192 MiB memory under Mac OS X Version 10.15.3 (Build 19D2064), playing Oolite version 1.90 (x86-64) - Phkb's latest - but the exact same happens with the regular 1.90 downloadable from Oolite.space

OldThrashbarg is on v. 1.90 as well - presumably either Windows or Linux.


References
Begeabi Rock Hermit Jameson
Edinso Rock Hermit Jameson

[another_commander]

Cannot reproduce. Your latest savefile loads into the Rock Hermit for me, both in 1.90 and 1.91.

[Cholmondely]

How about this one? A strict game AppleMac save at the RH in Tiinlebi!

Does this load up at the RH in Windows/Linux?

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
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		<string> Please stop! Have mercy!</string>
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		<string> Leave us alone!</string>
		<string>Krait:</string>
		<string> No!</string>
		<string>Krait:</string>
		<string> Don’t shoot, please!</string>
		<string>Anlama 2084047:01:14:19</string>
		<string>Coriolis Station:</string>
		<string> Come on in, Commander!</string>
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		<string> Docking clearance not required.</string>
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[another_commander]

No, this one at Tiinlebi does not load to the rock hermit, loads into the main station instead.

[phkb]

What I have learned so far:

1. I really don't like working on a Mac.

Wait, did I say that out loud?

It's taken me about 40 minutes just to get into a position on the Mac where I have the debug console available.

Anyway, rant over. Here's what I really found:

On PC, after loading the saved game:

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> S.stations
[[Station "Rock Hermit" "Rock Hermit" position: (-104683, -126272, 646769) scanClass: CLASS_ROCK status: STATUS_IN_FLIGHT], [Station "Coriolis Station" "Coriolis Station" position: (3153.16, -78921.7, 415104) scanClass: CLASS_STATION status: STATUS_ACTIVE]]

On Mac:

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> S.stations
[[Station "Rock Hermit" "Rock Hermit" position: (183069, -126272, 359017) scanClass: CLASS_ROCK status: STATUS_IN_FLIGHT], [Station "Coriolis Station" "Coriolis Station" position: (3153.16, -78921.7, 415104) scanClass: CLASS_STATION status: STATUS_ACTIVE]]

Summary: the RNG is different on a Mac, even in a strict game. Or maybe that should be, RNG is different on a PC.

And I have to say, the really surprising fact in the above data, is that *one* of the position values is the same. I mean, if the calculation works differently for X and Z, why is Y the same?

[phkb]

How about this one? A strict game AppleMac save at the RH in Tiinlebi!

Cholly, do you get the same results with this save when loading it in the old Oolite 1.90?

[Cholmondely]

Cholly, do you get the same results with this save when loading it in the old Oolite 1.90?

But of course!

And I have to say, the really surprising fact in the above data, is that *one* of the position values is the same. I mean, if the calculation works differently for X and Z, why is Y the same?

Did you try either of the other two RH saves? Perhaps there are subtle differences.

[another_commander]

Summary: the RNG is different on a Mac, even in a strict game. Or maybe that should be, RNG is different on a PC.

And I have to say, the really surprising fact in the above data, is that *one* of the position values is the same. I mean, if the calculation works differently for X and Z, why is Y the same?

Difference in endianness perhaps?

[phkb]

After a lot of backwards and forwards debugging, I've come to the conclusion that there is no equality with random numbers between Mac and PC. I don't have a Linux build to test there at the moment. Even starting a new strict game on both: on PC, there are three Rock Hermits created in Lave. On Mac, there is one. I really am at a loss as to how the randomness can be unified.