Enhance my savegame

[OldThrashbarg]

Well i do not suppose it's an md5-hash. The original file was named 'O-THRASH.CDR'. Perhaps re-naming it will help.

Thanks. I'll give it a whirl!

But how do you engage your hyperdrive? Which keyboard button do you press?

It's not that different from oolite i think. Lock on your target system, you'll see the hyperspace-jump-option in your F4-menu in flight

[Cholmondely]

Well i do not suppose it's an md5-hash. The original file was named 'O-THRASH.CDR'. Perhaps re-naming it will help.

Alas, more flubbing of the dubb!

ERROR: Corrupted Commander File

Now. My save games (despite lack of hyperspace jumping) seem to be twice the size of yours. When I open one using SubEthaEdit, there is a lot of unreadable gobbledegook which yours lacks. Might that be the issue?

But how do you engage your hyperdrive? Which keyboard button do you press?

It's not that different from oolite i think. Lock on your target system, you'll see the hyperspace jump in your F4-menu in flight

Help? F4-menu in flight? I've not seen this. All I get is a toggle between the short-range and the long-range charts.

[OldThrashbarg]

Well i do not suppose it's an md5-hash. The original file was named 'O-THRASH.CDR'. Perhaps re-naming it will help.

Alas, more flubbing of the dubb!

ERROR: Corrupted Commander File

Now. My save games (despite lack of hyperspace jumping) seem to be twice the size of yours. When I open one using SubEthaEdit, there is a lot of unreadable gobbledegook which yours lacks. Might that be the issue?

Is SubEthaEdit some kind of hex editor? I hoped the ascii-transcript was sufficient.

But how do you engage your hyperdrive? Which keyboard button do you press?

It's not that different from oolite i think. Lock on your target system, you'll see the hyperspace jump in your F4-menu in flight

Help? F4-menu in flight? I've not seen this. All I get is a toggle between the short-range and the long-range charts.

After departing from the station you can browse the galaxy like in oolite via F4. When you select a system within your range you can jump vie F5 or F6. One is the hyperspace jump and one is the galactic jump if you have it. This should be familiar from the oolite-gameplay.

I will not coerce you to do it, please decide on your own.

[Cholmondely]

Is SubEthaEdit some kind of hex editor? I hoped the ascii-transcript was sufficient.

This is 226 bytes (yours was 102 bytes):

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ELITE Commander FileCOMMANDER        50.0 Credits´µ›ÎéÇVP@P@VLAVEÿð4„ORERVE ÿð4„¤¹¹¬ÿô88888888
Þÿÿcù

- but what I saw when I cut and pasted was more complex than what I - and you - see now

It's not that different from oolite i think. Lock on your target system, you'll see the hyperspace jump in your F4-menu in flight

Help? F4-menu in flight? I've not seen this. All I get is a toggle between the short-range and the long-range charts.

After departing from the station you can browse the galaxy like in oolite via F4. When you select a system within your range you can jump vie F5 or F6. One is the hyperspace jump and one is the galactic jump if you have it. This should be familiar from the oolite-gameplay.

For me the F5 only toggles between the two charts - no actual jumping. In Oolite, I press "h" to jump. What do you actually press make your ship jump?

[OldThrashbarg]

Is SubEthaEdit some kind of hex editor? I hoped the ascii-transcript was sufficient.

This is 226 bytes (yours was 102 bytes):

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ELITE Commander FileCOMMANDER        50.0 Credits´µ›ÎéÇVP@P@VLAVEÿð4„ORERVE ÿð4„¤¹¹¬ÿô88888888
Þÿÿcù

- but what I saw when I cut and pasted was more complex than what I - and you - see now

Help? F4-menu in flight? I've not seen this. All I get is a toggle between the short-range and the long-range charts.

After departing from the station you can browse the galaxy like in oolite via F4. When you select a system within your range you can jump vie F5 or F6. One is the hyperspace jump and one is the galactic jump if you have it. This should be familiar from the oolite-gameplay.

For me the F5 only toggles between the two charts - no actual jumping. In Oolite, I press "h" to jump. What do you actually press make your ship jump?

omg now i vaguely remember fiddling with the elite-plus savegames. Didn't they even drop hints on how to edit the credits once you found the right file?

So here are the hex numbers, the question is what format the savegame-files are.

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00000000: 454c 4954 4520 436f 6d6d 616e 6465 7220  ELITE Commander 
00000010: 4669 6c65 1a43 4f4d 4d41 4e44 4552 2000  File.COMMANDER .
00000020: 2020 2020 2020 2034 372e 3220 4372 6564         47.2 Cred
00000030: 6974 7300 c014 10cd 6d8a 000d 5d50 4050  its.....m...]P@P
00000040: 400d 5d01 4c45 4553 5449 0020 0006 3724  @.].LEESTI. ..7$
00000050: 0007 0509 31ff 0000 0044 ac8c 1c4c 4545  ....1....D...LEE
00000060: 5354 4900 2000 0637 0000 0705 0931 ff00  STI. ..7.....1..
00000070: 0000 44ac 8c1c 44b7 19f6 007e 0300 0001  ..D...D....~....
00000080: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0100 d801 0000  ................
00000090: 0000 0000 004f 2d54 4852 4153 4800 0005  .....O-THRASH...
000000a0: 0017 0006 0011 0200 0000 0016 0000 0000  ................
000000b0: 0000 0006 0011 0001 0007 0004 0000 0015  ................
000000c0: 0002 0100 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000  ................
000000d0: 0000 0000 0000 0100 0037 0000 a8e8 ffff  .........7......
000000e0: 6f05                                     o.

Hyperspace works when switching to near range galactic chart in flight and press F6 or something. Youll see the icon appear, make sure you locked onto a proper system within your fuel range.

[OldThrashbarg]

*bump*

now i had some time and managed to copy-paste the raw hex numbers above into an empty file. I reverted it with a hex-editor and it is recognized by the game. In my case it was a command-line-editor but i am sure it will work with something like HxD too.

I am pretty sure this could be one of these "if only there was a better way"-jokes among developers, but for now all i can say is: it works.

[Cholmondely]

*bump*

now i had some time and managed to copy-paste the raw hex numbers above into an empty file. I reverted it with a hex-editor and it is recognized by the game. In my case it was a command-line-editor but i am sure it will work with something like HxD too.

I am pretty sure this could be one of these "if only there was a better way"-jokes among developers, but for now i can say it works.

Noble Sir!

I wish to join in with you.

But <dumb pilot mode> I know nothing about hex-editing other than it is supposed to make people lose their memories. Or command-line-editors. </dumb pilot mode>

If you are lucky enough to live in the United Kingdom, perhaps you could explain to me telephonically what this is all about?

[OldThrashbarg]

Noble Sir!

I wish to join in with you.

But <dumb pilot mode> I know nothing about hex-editing other than it is supposed to make people lose their memories. Or command-line-editors. </dumb pilot mode>

If you are lucky enough to live in the United Kingdom, perhaps you could explain to me telephonically what this is all about?

Unfortunately i myself do not live in the uk and i do not know everything about it. I figured along the process that converting data in form of some kind of code into what appears to be a binary sort of resembles what i understand as compiling. Allthough, are elite plus savegames actually binaries? Like i say, i basicall do not understand a thing about it.

Anyhow, what happened here so far is:

the idia arose due to the missing multiplayer-option in oolite. I considered swapping a savegame over the oolite-board from pilot to pilot, each one adding one hyperspace jump and some actions like trade, equipment, sign contracts etc etc and commenting it in a post in this thread.

Due to practical issues it seems more reasonable to start with elite-plus savegames as they are way more compact. Scince it seems to be impossible to attatch files over the oolite bulletin board directly, i figured it would be a way to read out the savegame-data with a proper Hex-Editor (link above), post it here in raw hexadecimal numbers (and that one column wich i didnt figure out what it is yet). The next pilot can pick up the code, paste it into a local hex editor, revert the code into a *.CDR file with the proper name, put it in their elite-plus-folder and proceed the story by jumping to the next star.

So far i took off from Lave, bought 2t of liqor and transported it to Leesti. It wasn't the smartest move but you gotta start somewhere.

Edit: you do not actually have to understand hexadecimal coding in any way. It's only copy and paste. The fact that you will see a lot of hex numbers in this thread if the idea takes off, is a simple neccessity, but it doesn't really concern the players more than copy and paste. It comes with the advantage that in theory you can rule out file corruption to some degree.

[Cholmondely]

Noble Sir!

I wish to join in with you.

But <dumb pilot mode> I know nothing about hex-editing other than it is supposed to make people lose their memories. Or command-line-editors. </dumb pilot mode>

If you are lucky enough to live in the United Kingdom, perhaps you could explain to me telephonically what this is all about?

Unfortunately i myself do not live in the uk and i do not know everything about it. I figured along the process that converting data in form of some kind of code into what appears to be a binary sort of resembles what i understand as compiling. Allthough, are elite plus savegames actually binaries? Like i say, i basicall do not understand a thing about it.

Anyhow, what happened here so far is:

the idia arose due to the missing multiplayer-option in oolite. I considered swapping a savegame over the oolite-board from pilot to pilot, each one adding one hyperspace jump and some actions like trade, equipment, sign contracts etc etc and commenting it in a post in this thread.

Due to practical issues it seems more reasonable to start with elite-plus savegames as they are way more compact. Scince it seems to be impossible to attatch files over the oolite bulletin board directly, i figured it would be a way to read out the savegame-data with a proper Hex-Editor (link above), post it here in raw hexadecimal numbers (and that one column wich i didnt figure out what it is yet). The next pilot can pick up the code, paste it into a local hex editor, revert the code into a *.CDR file with the proper name, put it in their elite-plus-folder and proceed the story by jumping to the next star.

So far i took off from Lave, bought 2t of liqor and transported it to Leesti. It wasn't the smartest move but you gotta start somewhere.

Edit: you do not actually have to understand hexadecimal coding in any way. It's only copy and paste. The fact that you will see a lot of hex numbers in this thread if the idea takes off, is a simple neccessity, but it doesn't really concern the players more than copy and paste. It comes with the advantage that in theory you can rule out file corruption to some degree.

Alas, we're well surpassed my level of competence. My apologies. I had enough problems working out DOSBox after a 4 year hiatus - and still can't jump in Elite Plus. Hex editors now make it rather too mind-boggling for my poor little brain.

Here's an alternative suggestion: Strict Version Oolite. I just tried pasting an old save-file into a post here, and it worked just fine. And, my poor little brain can manage Oolite... honestly!! Even the strict version (how will I ever cope without SniperLock?). And the strict version is actually much more sophisticated than the older versions of Elite (reputations/NPC interactions and all that).

I'm starting up a new Jameson now and we'll see how it goes.

[Cholmondely]

It wasn't the smartest move but you gotta start somewhere.

Here you go!

Lave > Zaonce > Isinor (sold laser to buy even more furs) > Ensoreus (ended up with c.900₢, bought back laser and stuck it in the rear) > Isinor > Ensoreus (sold laser to buy injectors) > Isinor > Qutiri > Isinor > Qutiri > Isinor > Ensoreus (to buy STE/EEU which are unavailable at Qutiri) > Isinor > Qutiri. Wasted quite some time looking for the Rock Hermit at Isinor. (In "Stranger's World Oolite" you head from the station to the sun with the planet on your right and it is just beyond the rings between the planet and the sun. In "Strict Oolite" it seems not to register on the ASC and also seems to have moved!).

Both Ensoreus & Qutiri are pirate-ridden, but Ensoreus has oodles of police. Qutiri is close enough to Isinor to use the Injectors if trouble strikes. At Ensoreus I rely on police patrols at the witchpoint beacon - no spare fuel for injectors. But TL12 Ensoreus has the better F3 shipyard.

He's now got front and rear beams and several other goodies. No kills. Docked at Qutiri and refueled. 2,939₢ to spend on cargo and more equipment. Enjoy!!

Thrashbarg the Tremendous.oolite-save

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[OldThrashbarg]

Greetings, Commander!

Here's an alternative suggestion: Strict Version Oolite. I just tried pasting an old save-file into a post here, and it worked just fine. And, my poor little brain can manage Oolite... honestly!! Even the strict version (how will I ever cope without SniperLock?). And the strict version is actually much more sophisticated than the older versions of Elite (reputations/NPC interactions and all that).

I'm starting up a new Jameson now and we'll see how it goes.

Yes! Of course. Some years ago i played a lot of 'plain' Oolite scince i didn't know about the extensions. I remember the comfort of targeting systems and the vivid conversations at bars once i upgraded, yet i still got myself some decent equipment and one or two missions until then. Unfortunately i lost my savegame somewhen inbetween.

It wasn't the smartest move but you gotta start somewhere.

Here you go!

Lave > Zaonce > Isinor (sold laser to buy even more furs) > Ensoreus (ended up with c.900₢, bought back laser and stuck it in the rear) > Isinor > Ensoreus (sold laser to buy injectors) > Isinor > Qutiri > Isinor > Qutiri > Isinor > Ensoreus (to buy STE/EEU which are unavailable at Qutiri) > Isinor > Qutiri. Wasted quite some time looking for the Rock Hermit at Isinor.

I see you have travelled quite a journey allready. One could think you geeze the joy of experiencing the stoney road that leads you from 'poor' to owning a respectable ship and some credits. However, future travellers will stay in your debt.

(In "Stranger's World Oolite" you head from the station to the sun with the planet on your right and it is just beyond the rings between the planet and the sun. In "Strict Oolite" it seems not to register on the ASC and also seems to have moved!). Both Ensoreus & Qutiri are pirate-ridden, but Ensoreus has oodles of police. Qutiri is close enough to Isinor to use the Injectors if trouble strikes. At Ensoreus I rely on police patrols at the witchpoint beacon - no spare fuel for injectors. But TL12 Ensoreus has the better F3 shipyard.

That is a lot of insight to me - i didn't know there was a rock hermit at Isinor - where is that system anyway? And what's he offering again?

Anyhow, my next strategy would be picking up the Parcel from Quitri to Usrarema (and maybe once again look over the asteroids along the way). Yet i tried serveral times but the game freezes in the corridor, i will have to look for a more stable environment (and some more time). Furthermore i approve the practise of sharing oolite-save-contents over the board and probably migrate the idea from the suggestion box to a more suitable forum if there are no objections

TIA

[Cholmondely]

(In "Stranger's World Oolite" you head from the station to the sun with the planet on your right and it is just beyond the rings between the planet and the sun. In "Strict Oolite" it seems not to register on the ASC and also seems to have moved!). Both Ensoreus & Qutiri are pirate-ridden, but Ensoreus has oodles of police. Qutiri is close enough to Isinor to use the Injectors if trouble strikes. At Ensoreus I rely on police patrols at the witchpoint beacon - no spare fuel for injectors. But TL12 Ensoreus has the better F3 shipyard.

That is a lot of insight to me - i didn't know there was a rock hermit at Isinor - where is that system anyway? And what's he offering again?

Anyhow, my next strategy would be picking up the Parcel from Quitri to Usrarema (and maybe once again look over the asteroids along the way). Yet i tried serveral times but the game freezes in the corridor, i will have to look for a more stable environment (and some more time). Furthermore i approve the practise of sharing oolite-save-contents over the board and probably migrate the idea from the suggestion box to a more suitable forum if there are no objections

Isinor
East of Lave. When I first started playing I read through  Mr Gimlet and the OoliteRS quite thoroughly - as well as  The Space Traders Flight Training Manual. So instead of going for the Leesti <> Diso milkrun I went for the Tionisla <> Isinor which has better profits and fewer visiting pirates (from local nasty systems).



Rock Hermits

1) there is one rock hermit (possibly more) in every solar system in the vanilla game. Usually surrounded by asteroids. And often just off one of the three space lanes.
2) They come in three different flavours - mining hermits (mostly in safer systems), neutral and dangerous pirate coves (mostly in nastier systems).
3) They have cheap minerals, radioactives and gold/platinum/gems - and pay well for wine/liquors. But smallish quantities only. Neutral hermits will have some smugglers goods too. Pirate coves have more - and pirates, too!
4) There are a plethora of OXPs tweaking all of the above.

Reference: Rock Hermit (Oolite)