Possible shipyard bug?

TedJ · Post by **TedJ** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:54 pm

Well, I've finally decided to upgrade from my trusty old Josher, and have been perusing the shipyards on the various high TL industrial planets I visit. Funny thing is, I'm no longer seeing the same variety of ships for sale that I once did. It's not unusual to see the ~15 ships available for sale being comprised of only 2-3 makes. Worst case I've seen to date was a shipyard selling no less than 13 Asp mk.ii SEs and nothing else.

Currently running 1.62-5 linux... will try removing OXPs and see if this helps.

Rxke · Post by **Rxke** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:18 am

It's not a bug, but it is a problem allright...

A lot has to do w/ the fact that one can set a ship's chance to show up in the 'yard. So some ships w/ a high probability outcrowd the rarer ones.

I suspect some OXP combinations in effect change what's on sale in a disruptive way...

For instance, I'm looking for a Imperial Courier, once again, but so far, going to countless planets, I've seen none up for sale, aargh!

Wolfwood · Post by **Wolfwood** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:31 am

Some .OXPs indeed offer the same ships and thus you may have several Asps, that are essentially the same but from different .OXPs, showing up as multiple entries in shops.

And I have yet to spot any real difference (except colour and price) with the 3 basic Wolf Mk IIs offered by the wolfmk2.oxp in addition to the SE...

All those .OXPs offer a lot of colour and choice to the player, but, as it is, one needs to be careful about what to install and what not, and, perhaps, how to prune some OXPs before installing them.

Murgh · Post by **Murgh** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:35 am

Rxke wrote:
It's not a bug, but it is a problem allright...
A lot has to do w/ the fact that one can set a ship's chance to show up in the 'yard. So some ships w/ a high probability outcrowd the rarer ones.

I really don't think that is the case, and if there was a way to set 'rareness' factor like was done with with roles, we'd jump on it. even running without any OXPs you can go to a TL 14 shop and be offered 20+ deals for just FdL and Boa.. the selection of a Soviet store.

as it is, the 'chance' factor just determines how likely a ship is to be decked with equipment, if I've understood it right..

but yes certainly, a way to determine rareness, and something enforcing more variety onto the shipyards would be a great.

Wiggy · Post by **Wiggy** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:36 pm

In 1.64, I've noticed an issue with the rotating display of each ship in the shipyard.

The sides of each ship flicker, as if the light source were a knackered fluorescent tube. This is in the side that is rotating out of darkness and into light., i.e. in the twighlight area.

Anyone else...?

aegidian · Post by **aegidian** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:49 pm

Wiggy wrote:
In 1.64, I've noticed an issue with the rotating display of each ship in the shipyard

Yeah, I've been working over the lighting code and a few builds showed that problem. Its should be fixed in the most recent versions.

TedJ · Post by **TedJ** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:15 am

Murgh wrote:
as it is, the 'chance' factor just determines how likely a ship is to be decked with equipment, if I've understood it right..

That's how I've always understood the probability in shipyard entries to work, too.

Wolfwood wrote:
Some .OXPs indeed offer the same ships and thus you may have several Asps, that are essentially the same but from different .OXPs, showing up as multiple entries in shops.

The Asp II SE appears in exactly one OXP, with only one variant. There aren't many ships/equipment duplicated between OXPs, although I do agree that some ships offer way too many variants that are essentially identical.

My original point remains... a rich industrial world offering nothing except 13 Asp II SEs suggests a problem.

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:19 am

I've noticed on recent base installs (no OXPs installed) that the shipyard is filled with multiple copies of the same ships. Sometimes it can be about three pages with only three or four actual ships available.

Then, when OXPs are installed, the same thing happens - five or six copies of each ships native to the game, but only one or two of the OXP ships. Note that this is when buying at a TL14 world, so most of the OXP ships should be available.

Wolfwood · Post by **Wolfwood** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:18 am

TedJ wrote:
The Asp II SE appears in exactly one OXP, with only one variant. There aren't many ships/equipment duplicated between OXPs, although I do agree that some ships offer way too many variants that are essentially identical.

Asp II SE:
aegidian-special.oxp / x-ships.oxp

Although I grant that the player version is only in x-ships...

And, yes, I've seen multiple ships as well... But since I've played the game only for a couple of weeks, I thought that it was supposed to be that way...

aegidian · Post by **aegidian** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:23 am

It's important to remember that the ships offered in a shipyard will not necessarily reflect all the OXPs loaded - they're based on a simulation of ships being randomly offered for sale and bought by other NPCs over a period of time.

So there are some times when more ships one type will be offered than others. The time-cycle for the ship market is about 192 in-game days, so trying the market again after a week or so should show different results.

ArkanoiD · Post by **ArkanoiD** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:13 pm

aegidian wrote:
It's important to remember that the ships offered in a shipyard will not necessarily reflect all the OXPs loaded - they're based on a simulation of ships being randomly offered for sale and bought by other NPCs over a period of time.

So there are some times when more ships one type will be offered than others. The time-cycle for the ship market is about 192 in-game days, so trying the market again after a week or so should show different results.

Why if i sell a ship it does not appear on the market?

aegidian · Post by **aegidian** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:23 pm

ArkanoiD wrote:
aegidian wrote:
It's important to remember that the ships offered in a shipyard will not necessarily reflect all the OXPs loaded - they're based on a simulation of ships being randomly offered for sale and bought by other NPCs over a period of time.

So there are some times when more ships one type will be offered than others. The time-cycle for the ship market is about 192 in-game days, so trying the market again after a week or so should show different results.
Why if i sell a ship it does not appear on the market?

'Cos it sold!