The Dream Team - Revisited

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:43 pm

I'm working on the Asp as the next addition to the Dream Team OXP. I've got two ideas for colour schemes but ain't sure if they look particularly good. I'm trying to get a distruptive camo scheme but keep the asp snake skin colour.

Do they work?

reills · Post by **reills** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:25 pm

I personally prefer the second... the first looks a little too bovine, unless it steers like a cow.

Uncle Reno · Post by **Uncle Reno** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:30 pm

I prefer the second one but wouldn't you just go for black if you wanted camouflage?
The first one looks like some kind of pet to me!!

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:42 pm

I thought you were going for detail? I must say I prefer Giles’s Asp Mark II Special/asp-high.dat from aegidian-special.oxp.

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:32 pm

All my hard work...wasted...

<deletes Wings file from memory stick in fit of pique>

OK then, Fer-de-lance then - we'll call the Asp Special the Dream Asp then.

<sulks>

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:35 pm

What, I hold all the votes now? Maybe others disagree. :-)

reills · Post by **reills** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:14 pm

Selezen,
Please: </deletes Wings file from memory stick in fit of pique>, </sulks>

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:34 pm

Dare I say it, redoing the basic ships is far harder than I expected...

It's a bit like making movies - Do an original and it stands or falls on its merritts. Do a 'film-of-a-book' or a remake and no matter how good it is it will never match up to individual expectations / wishes...

I've stepped away from this project because my plans for a quick update were never going to be good enough.

What's this got to do with the price of coffee?

I'd suggest the nature of this project means that reasonable critisism will come thick & fast ( I'm sort-of with Ahruman on this one )

Having said that, PLEASE don't give up Selezen - awsome work so far. Some 'fiddling' will likely produce an version that pleases more people.

My best wishes for your continuing efforts.

Killer Wolf · Post by **Killer Wolf** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:03 pm

black - well, i mean, yeah - obviously. in real life. but, this is a game and we wanna see all the hard work someone put in! i was going to do a black Vampire but to me black paint makes a ship "uber" as much as power stats, cos they're buggers to see and i think would spoil the game a bit. i THINK the Reaper's ok due to teh amount of white paintwork breaking up the dark, but i've only seen one in the wild and i was Fugitive at teh time so i scarpered fast before she could see me

Sel - the first one does look a bit cowish (or is that cowesque??) but the second one's cool - spikey urban camo looking. if you wanna keep the snake theme, rattler patterns are probbly best, if you maybe convert their drab browns to shades of gray.
the odd white spot on the skin might go someway to simulating stars behind the ship, as a way of spacial camo.

LittleBear · Post by **LittleBear** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:22 pm

Like the model and I prefer the 1st skin. Maybe just some greens and browns in the rather than all black "slodges". Hit undelete slezen! The asp is a tricky one to remodel as you can't really fiddle with the shape too much. Think the model is good, just a bit more detail on the skin.

Arexack_Heretic · Post by **Arexack_Heretic** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:36 pm

The camo: decrease the scale of the pattern or tone down the contrast.

What sort of camo would a ship use to hide in an asteroid belt?

LittleBear · Post by **LittleBear** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:19 am

Well, the camo would just be to hide when powed down on a planet surface in "silent running mode". Camo doesn't make logical sense in the 31st Century when you can be detected by a scanner (but maybe you can't when powered down and landed on a planet surface, so a visual camo might be useful). But as a skin it would look nice and reflect the Asp's "Army" roots, regarless of wheather it makes sense! The Navy have to paint their ships some colour, so why not a Camo text?

Killer Wolf · Post by **Killer Wolf** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:02 am

Camo doesn't make logical sense in the 31st Century when you can be detected by a scanner

or get cloaking devices! :-D

camo reflects where you wanna hide so black w/ perhaps white spots for normal space, bright colours if you were stationed in a nebula etc. military - well, aside from a standard colour, what about squadron insignia like on the F14 tailfins etc? or since they're supposed to be intimidating, mebbes all ships would have shark teeth like the old F4s/Cobra gunships).

by the time the 31st century arrives, i reckon the Navy will have fully adopted/refined this >:-)
http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/pr ... xv/oc.html

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:18 am

Don't worry, I'm not really giving up - I'm not European enough to let one negative comment put me off!

I am having a bitch of a time with this one though. I feel I was starting to just put 'air intakes' on each model and call it done, and I'm trying to avoid doing that with the Asp. The trouble is that the Asp Special is such a cool mod, it's hard to top it.

The camo skin is just too cowie. Multiple layer camouflage is probably better, but as mentioned the best camo colour for space is black, hence the black detail.

The skin is not nearly finished, by the way - I still have surface detail to draw and weathering to do as well as polish off the paintwork. I might start again with the skin - neither are very good IMO.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm also working on a version to keep Ahruman happy too.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:06 pm

Selezen wrote:
Don't worry, I'm not really giving up - I'm not European enough to let one negative comment put me off!

I resemble that remark.

As for the idea of white spots on a black space ship for camo in space: er, no. That really wouldn’t give the impression of stars. Matte black would be best.