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[Lestradae]

Oolite Shipyards Extension WiP V0.45 can now be downloaded from the first page of this thread. Beta- and playtesters please replace OSE WiP V0.4 with this one.

The changes from V0.4 to V0.45 are:

Bugfixes:
* Captured thargons should again work as intended for players - beyonder NPCs now use Photon Torpedoes instead
* All OSE barrels have the correct scanClass defined
* Cascade missiles are available for players again and also used by NPCs
* Caduceus Alpha and Omega now have working ejection positions for fuel tanks & the like
* Reduced portable equipment to the CD only due to some issues where equipment was not transfered correctly
* As drones & thargons for NPCs had troubles working correctly, replaced them with law missiles and photon torpedoes
* Missile positions for NPC carriers are now working as intended
* Player Dredger Rear View no longer obstructed by one of its turrets

Additional features:
* OSE V0.45 needs the "1.73" trunk version of Oolite core to run and is being developed for that version
* Photon Torpedoes look like bright cyan balls of flashy energy (under 1.73)
* When browsing the selling equipment options you are told how much money you will get for it beforehand
* OSE version of the Anti Missile System has an auto-ECM function made by Screet added in (thanks Screet!)
* Auction Stations (Scanner: "O") with Cargo Transfer Nodes for bigger cargo bays can now be found near the main station area - opening new profit revenues
* The sell equipment option also encompasses the new Wormhole Scanner from "1.73" Oolite trunk
* Shipyards in oxp stations will sell OSE ships according to their station tech level instead of a mix between station and system tech level (under 1.73, thanks to Cmdr James! ... doesn't work yet, as the "1.73" trunk command "hasShipyard" seems to be broken somehow)
* Photon Torpedoes, besides being the fastest and most accurate missiles in OSE, now have quirium cascade capability on top of it all

Additional Add-Ons & Mergers:
* Another ship oxp included: Hammer.oxp from ClymAngus
* Eric’s three alternate nuke missiles included and awarded triple speed & higher accuracy to be able to hit the faster and more agile OSE ships - player & NPC alike

Features available in cooperation with other oxps:
* Implemented Thargoid’s OSE/Aquatics Cloaking Device Compatibility solution

Have a look what you find when you follow the "O" on your scanner, especially if you have a ship with big cargo capacity

Cheers

L

[Screet]

Hi,

the feature to show how much money can be gained by selling equipment is very nice!

However, there's a slight bug in there: You use a "." in a different way than oolite:
Sell equipment cost: 10.0 Cr
Generates: 1.125 Cr or such
This results easily in confusion because it would actually mean that the player would lose money instead of gaining it

Another point is that the sell and buy and sell options are mixed. I guess it would be easier to navigate through all those equipment pages if all sell options would be shown after any equipment that can be bought.

Screet

[Lestradae]

Hey Screet,

is the "." really irritating? I assumed that anyone who had bought any equipment would have a vague idea what it costs and would naturally take the "." as a symbol for "thousand".

Does anyone else have an opinion about this? I can change it easily, just found it more understandable, myself, with the ".".

Concerning the "all sell options should be shown after any equipment that can be bought" or even on a separate screen, T has already suggested this multiple times, but I don't think I can do this via oxp (if I'm mistaken about that, please someone tell me how). I however think it would be a good idea, though more one for Ahruman and/or A_C.

Have you already visited OoBay? How do you find this feature?

Cheers

L

[Screet]

is the "." really irritating? I assumed that anyone who had bought any equipment would have a vague idea what it costs and would naturally take the "." as a symbol for "thousand".

The problem is that it's used for two different reasons in that case. Maybe use a "," instead?

Have you already visited OoBay? How do you find this feature?

Not yet...only managed one flight since updating I found some new station around the planet, but did dock and check emails first...

EDIT: Now I had a look...those flashers on the nodes are REALLY bright! However, when I tried to get close manually, I heard bangs from impact. I then tried the DC which did attempt to dock me at a node but caused a "press space" moment...

Screet

[Diziet Sma]

Hey Screet,

is the "." really irritating? I assumed that anyone who had bought any equipment would have a vague idea what it costs and would naturally take the "." as a symbol for "thousand".

Does anyone else have an opinion about this? I can change it easily, just found it more understandable, myself, with the ".".

L

Normal English usage, (or at least, non-European) would be to use a comma instead of a period to denote the thousands position.. or to omit it altogether.. English, Australian and American people tend to find the use of a period in this manner rather confusing actually.. we would expect to see something more like 1,234,567,890.00

[Screet]

Hmmm. From the log, there's a little problem with one of the RMB missiles:

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[script.javaScript.exception.39]: ***** JavaScript exception ("rmb-law-missile-script" 1.0): TypeError: this.ship.target has no properties
[script.javaScript.exception.39]:       ../AddOns/A - Oolite Shipyards Extension WiP V0.45.oxp/Scripts/rmb-law-missile-script.js, line 8.

I think I've seen such messages also in the past from some other equipment. Should have either been the bounty scanner or target auto-lock, but I'm not sure

EDIT: Sorry, confused it a bit. The other message from auto-lock is

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[script.javaScript.exception.39]: ***** JavaScript exception ("targetAutolock" 1.0): TypeError: attacker has no properties
[script.javaScript.exception.39]:       ../AddOns/Target Autolock 1.00.oxp/Config/script.js, line 9.

Screet

[Nemoricus]

Normal English usage, (or at least, non-European) would be to use a comma instead of a period to denote the thousands position.. or to omit it altogether.. English, Australian and American people tend to find the use of a period in this manner rather confusing actually.. we would expect to see something more like 1,234,567,890.00

Indeed. Also, internal consistency is important. Oolite uses a '.' to denote decimal points. Therefore, it is assumed that any '.' in a number is marking one. I would suggest omitting the '.' entirely except as a decimal point marker.

[JensAyton]

Hey Screet,

is the "." really irritating? I assumed that anyone who had bought any equipment would have a vague idea what it costs and would naturally take the "." as a symbol for "thousand". :?

Certainly no native English speaker would.

[Cmdr James]

I would strongly suggest, due to differences in handling, that unless there is an easy way to use local settings, that either the thousand separator is removed completely, or a space is used.

[DaddyHoggy]

Have you already visited OoBay? How do you find this feature?

Oobay? Really? Does this mean one of my throw-it-to-the-wind-and-see-if-it-has-wings ideas has been picked up and implemented? If yes -

[Lestradae]

Hi guys,

I am indeed not a native english speaker - in german the "." is obviously between thousands & hundreds. Oh, well. If all things were so easy: I will simply take the offending dot out from the sell numbers

@Screet:

Concerning your docking troubles, which ship are you having them with? I managed to dock at the OoBay Nodes with Condors, Dredgers, Juggernauts and even a Constitution. With those really big ships you have to be a bit careful and approach the node slowly from above as if you wanted to scoop it, but with my trusty Tiger Mk I for example I can dock by going at the node with injectors burning ...

If port radius etc. are still not big enough for some ships I can make them bigger.

Oh, yes, and the law-missile I am afraid there might be further script troubles with NPC ships using missiles scripted for players. Will have a look into this, if my suspicion is correct.

@DaddyHoggy:

Really!

Indeed, near the main station area there are now the OoBay Auction Stations with their 26 (!) Cargo Transfer Nodes. The station itself is visible from the main one and targeted with "O" on the scanner. The nodes are bright scintillating beacon points for loading & unloading of cargo arranged in a cube around the actual auction station.

Every node can be docked at and you can buy & sell 63 units from any commodity at its standard system price there. At every node. Meaning that if you bought an Anaconda, beyond doing trading runs you can now fill the hold with 750 tons of furs at Lave and sell all 750 tons of furs at Zaonce - ships with big cargo holds now really make different profit from smaller ones.

The idea happened because Oolite's trading quantities are basically derived from a game where the max cargo you could have was 35 tons. My girlfriend actually suggested "OoBay" and I did remember that this was already suggested on the boards, too.

If you want to have a look, DH, by all means have one

Cheers

L

EDIT: He he, done. Fastest "bugfix" ever . I hereby proudly present the "." patch. Download from here: http://www.box.net/shared/static/13avvvxv7y.plist ... and drop into the Config folder, say yes to overwrite, press shift next time, you know the drill. And gone the non-english "."

[Screet]

Concerning your docking troubles, which ship are you having them with? I managed to dock at the OoBay Nodes with Condors, Dredgers, Juggernauts and even a Constitution. With those really big ships you have to be a bit careful and approach the node slowly from above as if you wanted to scoop it, but with my trusty Tiger Mk I for example I can dock by going at the node with injectors burning ...

I was using a Caduceus, but as I did not know how to dock with it, I approached it the same as the fuel satellites. Ran into it on very low speed, minimal shield damage, but no docking. I then turned away a little and enabled the DC which crashed my ship into the node.

Reading your post, I tried again. Approaching it from above did the trick

What I did not expect was the massive price difference - in the system where I was, I could buy furs for 30Cr less than at the main station, platinum at 12Cr less. I did expect the same prices as at the main station, not sure if the difference is intended?
EDIT: After jumping I got the strange impression that the prices from the local Oobar were the same as those for my witchspace target system - although I cannot imagine how such a thing could happen. Coincidence?!?

Screet

[Lestradae]

I was using a Caduceus, but as I did not know how to dock with it, I approached it the same as the fuel satellites. ... Reading your post, I tried again. Approaching it from above did the trick

Happy to hear that - btw, also smaller ships can use the OoBay nodes for trading, just have to trade in something lighter than tons

What I did not expect was the massive price difference - in the system where I was, I could buy furs for 30Cr less than at the main station, platinum at 12Cr less. I did expect the same prices as at the main station, not sure if the difference is intended?

That is actually rather weird, as the OoBay nodes' commodities.plist entries for everything but quantity are a simple copy & paste job from Oolite's very own "Resources" folder - so the prices, give or take a few percent, should basically be nearly identical to the main station's prices.

Can you recheck this? Haven't encountered that as yet, and shouldn't be possible to happen as far as I think I understand how price calculation is done ...



L

Re: EDIT:

EDIT: After jumping I got the strange impression that the prices from the local Oobar were the same as those for my witchspace target system - although I cannot imagine how such a thing could happen. Coincidence?!?

That would imho indicate one hell of a bug in Oolite itself - but one I have never come across while testing. As I said, the OoBay nodes' commodities plists are completely identical to the main station standard ones except for the fixed, maximised quantities.

[Screet]

[Can you recheck this? Haven't encountered that as yet, and shouldn't be possible to happen as far as I think I understand how price calculation is done ...

OK, the price for the goods I checked the first time must have been a lucky hit concerning those of the next system I went to.

All nodes do have different prices for the goods. I checked two, and both times furs did cost >70Cr while they did cost 59Cr at the main station...might be normal price range and big luck that I had such a big difference before.

However, I lost two more ships while attempting to dock at the nodes.

Screet

[DaddyHoggy]

@DaddyHoggy:

Really! Very Happy

Indeed, near the main station area there are now the OoBay Auction Stations with their 26 (!) Cargo Transfer Nodes. The station itself is visible from the main one and targeted with "O" on the scanner. The nodes are bright scintillating beacon points for loading & unloading of cargo arranged in a cube around the actual auction station.

Every node can be docked at and you can buy & sell 63 units from any commodity at its standard system price there. At every node. Meaning that if you bought an Anaconda, beyond doing trading runs you can now fill the hold with 750 tons of furs at Lave and sell all 750 tons of furs at Zaonce - ships with big cargo holds now really make different profit from smaller ones.

The idea happened because Oolite's trading quantities are basically derived from a game where the max cargo you could have was 35 tons. My girlfriend actually suggested "OoBay" and I did remember that this was already suggested on the boards, too.

If you want to have a look, DH, by all means have one Very Happy

That sounds fantastic - I think I may have a higher resolution version of the Oobay logo if you're interested.

My home PC definitely won't cope with OSE but once the XPS 1730 is configured as per my boss's desires and I've got all his apps on board I will be able to to sneak Oolite plus OSE (plus everything else!) on to it - and I'll put them SLI'd 9800GT Ms to work!