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Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 9:29 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 9:26 am

Would there be point in updating this?

Lave is the System where we begin the standard game... and we already have the Academy!

Lave is the system where HIMSN is based (and we have the ships and textures)

We have DAJT's monument (untouched since 2006)!

We have Stranger's new planet texture!

Could we put together a new Lave.OXP which would combine the above with this OXP (Single Moon - with the Empress's palace?), instructor & trainees & advertising droids?

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1) Would we really need to bother updating the instructors/trinkets etc? It would make sense that they use clunky-looking ships.

2) Would we want some new Lave-specific ads? (The only part I could meaningfully contribute to at the moment)

3) Could we tweak the monument in any way to make it interact with the player?

4) Would it make sense to add a HIMSN naval base? Or an office in the station or the Lave Academy?

5) Some sort of traffic between planet/naval base and the Moon Palace? A space port image and interaction on Moon Landings? A space port image for landing on Lave itself?

6) Would we want a Lave which is limited to just the one sun, one planet and the one peculiar moon (as in the Lore, which has been broken by the Diso OXP)? Or would we want a more complex solar system?

7) Add some more orbital stations? And maybe some sort of interaction with the player?
1) On starting. Say two starting missions, one for a law-abiding player and another for someone less scrupulous?
2) On returning, presumably with a better equipped ship?
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Lave OXPs
* Lave OXP: single "fake" moon, restaurant ships, instructor & trinkets, advertising droid, Lave bumped from TL5 to TL8
* Lave Academy
* Monument: either close to sun or in orbit around planet depending on sun distance
* FPO Lave: new Lave texture for v.1.90
* PSLave (Planet Scanner) & Far Planets create other planets in the Lave System
* Lave is Earth: A_C_'s planetary texture demonstration

Lave Lore sources (contradictory!)
* Dark Wheel
* Imprint
* Drew's Oolite novels
* Selezen's work - see Lave page on wiki
* Rough Guide (Disembodied)

Personally I'd vote for Disembodied's interpretation (he's the only one still regularly with us!), and try and fit in the others if they work with the Rough Guide.

Just found this (response to Cultist's 2010 ideas for improving Oolite):

Disembodied wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:16 pm

cultist wrote:

From reading planet descriptions many are "colonised" with human colonists?
Maybe some wars of independence from natives?Or something between these lines

There are a lot of planets suffering from "civil wars"... perhaps some of these are between natives and pockets of colonists.

As a remake of Elite, Oolite has taken the -- necessarily -- simplistic original background to the game. While some OXPs can flesh this out a little, most of the work really has to be performed by the player's imagination!

For most of the inhabitants of the oooniverse, life is probably fairly backwards and/or oppressive, not to say brutal and short. The Galactic Co-Operative means very little to the serfs tilling the fields of a Poor Agricultural Feudal planet, or the mind-numbed drones of an Industrial Dictatorship, or the Corporate wage-slaves. We, the pilots, are the lucky ones. We're out, and free: and, shameful to admit, we don't really care about the suffering billions toiling away at the bottom of all those gravity wells. A two-line description tells us all we want to know about them, their planets and their lives.

The Co-Operative is for our benefit, largely, as long as we keep the wealth flowing between the worlds, and filling the pockets of the rich and powerful who dominate the various polities. There must be peasants, cold and hungry, who look up at night to the wormholes blossoming open against the stars, who see us as little high-riding tin gods, unshackled, uncaring, doing whatever we please. Probably, they envy us. Probably, many of them hate us, too. But what's that to us? Open a wormhole: fly away.

Captain Hesperus wrote:

I go by the fiction that mentions that the GalCop central government is based on Lave Coriolis One and that the most famous (in fact the only mentioned) space flight school is there.

Lave is still a backwater. That's probably why the central authority is there, on Coriolis One, along with the Flight School. You can't put something like that in a powerful system: none of the other powerful systems would agree to it. Lave has "compromise" written all over it.

phkb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:44 am

Just looking at getting the base OXP in line using primarily Griff ship models. However, that necessitates a departure from the "official" set of ships in the OXP.

What I'm proposing is:
1. Swapping the Coral Liner for a Boa Class Cruiser with a custom skin (similar to what I did in Tianve)
2. Swapping the Add Droids for a Hognose pulling a billboard.
3. Changing the Learner Trinket for a Sidewinder Scout Ship with a custom skin.
4. Changing the Instructor Trinket for an Asp Mark II with a custom skin.
5. Changing the food trucks for Worms with custom skins.

All the other ships have a Griff equivalent, which I'm using with custom skins for each (Anaconda, Morays, Sidewinder).

Would this be going too far, do you think?

Another question: What was the logic in bumping Lave's TL to 8 in this OXP?

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:29 pm

2) TL bump

Murgh's logic ( in bumping the TL from 5 to 8 ) was to keep it in line with his understanding of the lore (Holdstock's Dark Wheel - and possibly Imprint too). This entire OXP was written to bring the Dark Wheel's version of Lave into Oolite. It does seem rather odd to have one of the two politically leading systems in G1/Santaari as a complete industrial backwater (Zadies being the other, with a TL of 9).

phkb wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:09 am

Actually, I know why I picked those Griff models - I have all the resources I need to create custom skins quickly. The Ophidian and Bug are going to take a bit of time while I build up equivalent resources for them.

phkb wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:38 am

I think the new Lave planet textures with city lights are starting to look ok now: