Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:54 am
Do we know when and why it was changed?
I'd guess it was when Griff's shipset was adopted as standard. Both of his vipers had essentially the same model I believe (agreeing with Cody here it seems).
Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:57 am
We have a number of possible parallel games already
This is the problem with a wiki for a highly (and repeatedly) moddable game...
When Smivs made his 'classics' shipsets for example, images of aegidian's originals were replaced rather than added to and I for one missed the original paint job on the python cruiser (the download didn't disappear but I believe the image did). Probably 9 out of every 10 would have preferred Smivs take on it however, so was it wrong to replace rather than add?
When a cobra mk IV was (re)made last year(?) the newer Griff mk III model was used for it, even though that was the most like the original mk III design according to some, meaning anyone using that texture for the mk III might need a rethink. Besides, how many versions of a mk IV have there been within oolite?
Even for this little project (likely to be on a new thread within 'Expansions') I'm considering using both the 20 and 35 TC cobra models, one as a smaller but faster mk IV - that way I can be faithful to the Elite text and also add at least a significant nod to the oolite starting experience (no large cargo bay for my mkIV though) that many know so well. What would that do to the wiki?
If you look up the page for the boa then there's a story about it "gobbling up" an ophidian with its scoop. Not only is this not currently possible within the game but Griff's version of the ophidian was larger than previous versions and with a greater cargo capacity (as he identified a gap between cobras and python). So arguably his ophidian is a completely different ship that just happens to have a very similar model and an identical name. So then the story not only goes unrepresented in game but also becomes ridiculous when considering Griff's version of the ophidian.
Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:57 am
But how should it all be presented on the wiki?
I think that the great ambition that everything be not only represented but also integrated is increasingly problematic the more the game gets modded. It might start with simple things like, "That ship name's already been taken", but then it turns into, "The mk III does 0.35LM... except in some OXPs where it does 0.3LM", and eventually, "The following trade goods are controlled... except here where the following are controlled instead, unless you've installed X in which case it's these goods but not if you've installed Y where those goods are replaced by these".
Personally, and this is just my opinion which I'm not entirely convinced by, I think the wiki should document most things according to the core game. Someone like me is going to tweak a whole bunch of stuff to their individual liking and it's only going to present a 'problem' because someone's already 'defined' a cobra mk IV for example. And someone else is not going to want 'their' game, or even 'the' wiki, polluted by 'my' imaginings. Better perhaps to place such in carefully labeled, sealed jars, confined to their own pages for players to open if they wish and remain sealed if they don't
Suppose I oxp this thing and make 'tiny' kraits with 1 energy bank, I don't think anyone should be editing the krait page to reflect that. A page for this theoretical (but now likely) oxp that explained the changes would be enough.
Sure, it's great when oxps play nicely together but if we can't allow them not to then we get a kind of canalisation that restricts creativity where people are modding according to others oxps rather than to the core game. "I want to make the fastest ship in
the game", that's likely not going anywhere good when more than one person thinks that.
Cody wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:41 am
These days, the core Viper Interceptor is identical in size to the core Viper (50.000 x 18.136 x 65.199).
That would affect where I scale from but not where I scale to, if that makes sense... More speed/engines will make it larger unless it were significantly more fragile.
