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Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:17 pm
by hiran
So the first split reveals: Group one failed and Group 2 succeeded.
Here is the list of addons that failed:
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cim.gsagostinho.systemfeatures.rings.oxz
DTT.Heart_of_Gold 1.0.Paradox.oxz
oolite.oxp.astrobe.compassautoswitch.oxz
oolite.oxp.Astrobe.smallships.oxz
oolite.oxp.ByronArn.AutoRefuel.oxz
oolite.oxp.CaptMurphy.ExplorersClub.oxz
oolite.oxp.CaptMurphy.PoliceIFFScanner.oxz
oolite.oxp.CaptMurphy.ShipStorageHelper.oxz
oolite.oxp.captsolo.solos-good-fortune.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.camera-drones.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.combat-simulator.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.comms-pack-a.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.escort-formations.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.extracts-tre-clan.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.ships-library.oxz
oolite.oxp.cim.systemfeatures.sunspots.oxz
oolite.oxp.CmdCheyd.DH_AdvancedNavigationComputer.oxz
oolite.oxp.CmdCheyd.DH_EmergencyWitchspaceInitiator.oxz
oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Auto_Eject.oxz
oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Display_reputation.oxz
oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Fireworks.oxz
oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Interstellar_Help.oxz
oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Randomshipnames.oxz
oolite.oxp.CommonSenseOTB.SniperLock.oxz
oolite.oxp.dybal.BarrelRoll.oxz
oolite.oxp.dybal.SniperLock_Fix.oxz
oolite.oxp.EricWalch.TionislaReporter.oxz
oolite.oxp.Frame.FuelCollector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Griff.Bug_(Elite2).oxz
oolite.oxp.Griff.Griff_shipset_decals.oxz
oolite.oxp.Griff.Station_Bundle.oxz
oolite.oxp.hoqllnq.missile-beep.oxz
oolite.oxp.jh145.ScannerAlertingEnhancement.oxz
oolite.oxp.Lone_Wolf.ETTHomingBeacon.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Addons_for_Beginners.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Ambience_Collection.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Andromeda.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Carriers.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Carriers_with_turrets.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.CombatMFD.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Convoys.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.EscortDeck.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.EscortPack.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Fighters.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.FreighterConvoys.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Gallery.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Gatling_Laser.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG-A.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.HUDSelector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Laser_Cooler.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.LogEvents.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.MinerCobra.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.ReverseControl.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.SafetyCatch.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope_Extender.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.TheCollector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Towbar.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Trail_Detector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Trails.oxz
oolite.oxp.Okti.CargoScanner.oxz
oolite.oxp.Ramen.Mutabilis-Ships_Library.oxz
oolite.oxp.Ramen.Status_Quo-Ship's_Library.oxz
oolite.oxp.Rorschachhamster.Satellites.oxz
oolite.oxp.smivs.better Buoys.oxz
oolite.oxp.smivs.Delightful Docking.oxz
oolite.oxp.smivs.Liners.oxz
oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:33 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Auto_Eject.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Display_reputation.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Fireworks.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Interstellar_Help.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Randomshipnames.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.CommonSenseOTB.SniperLock.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Addons_for_Beginners.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Ambience_Collection.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Andromeda.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Carriers.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Carriers_with_turrets.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.CombatMFD.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Convoys.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.EscortDeck.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.EscortPack.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Fighters.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.FreighterConvoys.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Gallery.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Gatling_Laser.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG-A.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HUDSelector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Laser_Cooler.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.LogEvents.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.MinerCobra.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.ReverseControl.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.SafetyCatch.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope_Extender.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.TheCollector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Towbar.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Trail_Detector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Trails.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
However on startup I got a warning that a few plugins were not loaded:
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Carriers was not loaded as it requires Ship Storage Helper
Ambience Collection was not loaded as it requires Addtional Planets SR Base
Convoys was not loaded as it requires Escort Formations
Carriers with turrets was not loaded as it requires Carriers
Addons for Beginners was not loaded as it requires Ambience Collection
I believe the fact they were not loaded means they could not contain the failing plugin, could they? (assuming we are looking at one plugin that breaks the ISD...)
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:44 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Auto_Eject.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Display_reputation.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Fireworks.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Interstellar_Help.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Commander_McLane.Randomshipnames.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.CommonSenseOTB.SniperLock.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG-A.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HDBG.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.HUDSelector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope_Extender.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.TheCollector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Towbar.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Trail_Detector.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.Norby.Trails.oxz
ManagedAddOns/oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:07 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope_Extender.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.TheCollector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Towbar.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Trail_Detector.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Trails.oxz
oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:19 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope_Extender.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.Telescope.oxz
oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:26 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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oolite.oxp.Norby.Headlights.oxz
oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:33 pm
by hiran
Splitting the failed group I now again have a success and a failure. The failed list this time is:
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oolite.oxp.Norby.ILS.oxz
oolite.oxp.staer9.StarDestroyer.oxz
That's it for now. I think I cannot get any closer.
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:21 pm
by hiran
Having tried the other ~140 plugins in combination the gameplay is actually like before - I do not really miss the ILS.
On the other hand the shuttle can take ages to dock. What can I do to speed this up?
Another thing I noticed is that I can no longer use the fuel generator. It used to respond on pressing zero on the alphanumerical keyboard. Pressing that key now rotates between possible targets. What can I do here?
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 am
by Cholmondely
hiran wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:21 pm
Having tried the other ~140 plugins in combination the gameplay is actually like before - I do not really miss the ILS.
On the other hand the shuttle can take ages to dock. What can I do to speed this up?
Another thing I noticed is that I can no longer use the fuel generator. It used to respond on pressing zero on the alphanumerical keyboard. Pressing that key now rotates between possible targets. What can I do here?
Have you tried resetting the 2 Priming Keys (while docked!!) on the F4 interface screen? You need to select "Primable Equipment" (under Ships Systems) and then you get to choose the offensive & defensive Fast Priming Keys - offensive is the Tab button, defensive is the "0" button (I think!!). Check the OoliteRS (Reference Sheets) which came as a .pdf in your original game download. Probably worth printing out! AdviceforNewCommanders (Mr Gimlet) is also helpful if you never read it.
One presumes that the search process for the troublesome OXP ended up unsetting your previous Fast Prime choices.
All the best, Cholmondeley!
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:55 am
by Cholmondely
Hiran's first question (how to dock his ISD) leads on to one of mine:
All the dockables I've so far seen feature interior docking - one presumes that this was another nifty wheeze by B&B to save memory: exterior docking (where one docks a la Cherryh novels to the outside of the space station) might be more complex graphically. As regards handwavium, it is also provides protection against marauding Thargoids (although it inhibits a hasty response).
But with the current Oolite game code, would this be possible? Could one create a space station with external 'arms' for spacecraft to dock at - such as Hiran's Imperial Star Destroyer, for example. Could such docking 'work'?. What would the coding issues be?
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:12 am
by hiran
Cholmondely wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 am
hiran wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:21 pm
Another thing I noticed is that I can no longer use the fuel generator. It used to respond on pressing zero on the alphanumerical keyboard. Pressing that key now rotates between possible targets. What can I do here?
Have you tried resetting the 2 Priming Keys (while docked!!) on the F4 interface screen? You need to select "Primable Equipment" (under Ships Systems) and then you get to choose the offensive & defensive Fast Priming Keys - offensive is the Tab button, defensive is the "0" button (I think!!). Check the OoliteRS (Reference Sheets) which came as a .pdf in your original game download. Probably worth printing out! AdviceforNewCommanders (Mr Gimlet) is also helpful if you never read it.
One presumes that the search process for the troublesome OXP ended up unsetting your previous Fast Prime choices.
All the best, Cholmondeley!
Good guess. I never primed any equipment so far and was wondering anyway how to activate them one by one. This explains a lot!
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:10 pm
by another_commander
Cholmondely wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:55 am
Hiran's first question (how to dock his ISD) leads on to one of mine:
All the dockables I've so far seen feature interior docking - one presumes that this was another nifty wheeze by B&B to save memory: exterior docking (where one docks a la Cherryh novels to the outside of the space station) might be more complex graphically. As regards handwavium, it is also provides protection against marauding Thargoids (although it inhibits a hasty response).
But with the current Oolite game code, would this be possible? Could one create a space station with external 'arms' for spacecraft to dock at - such as Hiran's Imperial Star Destroyer, for example. Could such docking 'work'?. What would the coding issues be?
I am starting to forget the finer details of the code, but I think that any subentity can be made into a dock. If my recollection is correct, then it should be possible to have external entities as docks. Of course, you will still see the docking pattern upon touching the dock's hot spot and when launching.
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:54 pm
by Cody
another_commander wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:10 pmI am starting to forget the finer details of the code...
Nurse! Nurse! The Admiral needs his medication!
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:08 pm
by hiran
Cody wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:54 pm
another_commander wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:10 pmI am starting to forget the finer details of the code...
Nurse! Nurse! The Admiral needs his medication!
If he can repeat these words he should be allright:
Person, woman, man, camera, TV
Re: Handling the Imperial Star Destroyer
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:16 pm
by hiran
Mausnoab Williamston wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:56 am
I tried this days the Imperial Star Destroyer. Perhaps the ILS-System doesn´t work with the Shuttle?
You guessed it straight away. Amazing...
True, flying the destroyer is not only about piloting, it is also about commanding the escorts and fighters.
Somehow I am missing keyboard commands to e.g. call them back (they do not all react to a witchspace jump).
Also some documentation might be good to know when they come back (I think it is when the threat level is green), or which target to attack.
Some wiki page about handling big ships or big military ships might be helpful. Does it exist already?
I'm willing to create such a page and give the right questions although I am far from having answers. How would I login to the wiki?