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I would argue that all ships must have landing gear, which would be used when docked at any station. While some sort of tractor-tech might be used to maneuver your ship into it's docked berth, I doubt it would be worth the energy expense to keep your ship hovering while docked.
phkb wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:46 pmAssuming you have the extra planets/moons...Cholmondely wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:42 pmBut what happens in a more vanilla flavoured Oolite if one lands on a moon without PlanetFall loaded?
Crater.
Not sure what the balance should be. I think something like 3-5 for the main planet, and maybe 2-4 for secondary planets with atmosphere, and maybe 1-3 for moons. Happy to tweak these numbers, and I'll probably add some Library Config code so you can potentially tweak at it yourself).
You mean theoretically/lore-wise?Cholmondely wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:05 pmI'd presumed that pirates were mostly based in anarchies. Some on the planet surface, many on Rock Hermits and with just a handful masquerading as innocents at the GalCop Main Orbitals. Where do your pirates operate out of, Redspear?
player.ship.useSpecialCargo function (as used during the Nova mission, for instance), which basically takes up all cargo space. Then, when you arrive, it's taken away and you get your cargo hold back. To increase risk, rather than just going to the main station, it would be to another station in system, or another planetary location, thereby extending the journey and allowing for the possibility of pirate interference.All well and good for Missions but there should still be some sort of Landing Site that closely resembles an Orbital Station in terms of Trade Goods, Equipment, and a Ship Yard. See the following quote of myself for the reasoning on this. As Redspear stated: too easy, Yes, but still needed in my humble opinion.
The Second Part of that self quote led me to do some research into the original Planetfall and have a rethink. In the original we have the following Landing Sites.Nite Owl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:52 am[Reasoning]
Why land on Planets or Moons? With the Station for Extra Planets suite of OXZs in place there is a random element as to how many Planets are generated in a specific system. If this number is low then the number of Stations in orbit above them will be low. Combine this with Market Quantity randomness and The Player may not be able to fill their Cargo Hold in that specific system. Never liked the idea of having to jump to multiple systems to fill my Cargo Hold. So in a system with these conditions Planetary and Lunar Landings become a viable alternative.
[Second Part]
Provided that the many different types of Landing Sites from the original could be kept.
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Note that the sub-surface and dome aspects of the original Planetfall Landing Sites have been ignored in the following as they are basically duplicates of what is listed here.
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Capital City
Colony City
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Ship Yard
Seedy Bar
Leisure Complex
Factory
Prison
Research Complex
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Farm
Mine
Military Base
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Fields
Dump
Waste Land
So maybe there IS a market BUT it's prices match the main station. Player then has access to more of whatever they're buying but without an in-system exploit?... Bit harder to justifty what the main station is for then though.
Penal colonies to transfer pirate escape pods to?phkb wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:29 am5. Prisoner transport (would require a system with a moon-based prison location). Again, need a specialised transport unit. Risks for this could include being just by the prisoners buddies after launching, or having the prisoners break out of the transport unit, damaging a pile of kit, and escaping via an airlock (or escape pod, if you have one).
1-3 those are nice for commanders low on creditsphkb wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:29 amReturning to the reason for visiting planetary locations. Ideas:
1. Shuttle missions (taking passengers from main station to main planet and back again). Probably wouldn't pay a lot, though. I'll have to check if In-System Taxi covers this scenario (main planet to main station), in which case, it's already covered.
2. Medical shuttle missions (variation on 1), going from station to planet on high TL systems, possibly the other way for low TL maybe? Would require a specialised transport unit. Planet to station is fairly low risk, so perhaps the destination needs to be in another system, rather than just local.
3. Cargo - moving cargo from planet to main station for sale. I don't imagine these as similar to existing cargo contracts. Instead, you'd fill your hold with goods, but using theplayer.ship.useSpecialCargofunction (as used during the Nova mission, for instance), which basically takes up all cargo space. Then, when you arrive, it's taken away and you get your cargo hold back. To increase risk, rather than just going to the main station, it would be to another station in system, or another planetary location, thereby extending the journey and allowing for the possibility of pirate interference.
4. Local projects. By this I mean, the government/a corporation/an entity on planet X needs 5000T of alloys to build a huge dam/building/macguffin/etc on the planet. You get paid a bonus for how much cargo you can delivery before the expiry date. Some of these project could influence (+/-) the political or economic situation on the planet. On systems beset by civil war, this could be extended to things like delivering firearms to a contact at a location not covered by GalCop (wasteland, dump, fields, etc). Cargo would have to be source outside the system, so standard space flight risks involved.
5. Prisoner transport (would require a system with a moon-based prison location). Again, need a specialised transport unit. Risks for this could include being just by the prisoners buddies after launching, or having the prisoners break out of the transport unit, damaging a pile of kit, and escaping via an airlock (or escape pod, if you have one).
6. Delivery machinery to farms/raw matrerials to factories. Again, using the useSpecialCargo to keep this away from of being just another cargo contract. Could be intercepted between planets by pirates, and damage to your ship could result in damage to what you're transporting, and then you don't get paid as much at the other end.
Some of these I can see being offered through something like GalCop missions. Certainly via the BB, anyway.
Any of those sound intriguing enough to opt into? Are there other risks these missions might encounter?
) since the original release...
The idea is great. But unsure about the reality. Which country on the surface of this planet would hire a taxi-driver or some such - out of the blue! - to transport a criminal?phkb wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:29 am5. Prisoner transport (would require a system with a moon-based prison location). Again, need a specialised transport unit. Risks for this could include being just by the prisoners buddies after launching, or having the prisoners break out of the transport unit, damaging a pile of kit, and escaping via an airlock (or escape pod, if you have one).
Super to see the list of landing sites. Thank you, Nite Owl. It gets the imaginative juices flowing...Nite Owl wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:02 pmAll well and good for Missions but there should still be some sort of Landing Site that closely resembles an Orbital Station in terms of Trade Goods, Equipment, and a Ship Yard. See the following quote of myself for the reasoning on this. As Redspear stated: too easy, Yes, but still needed in my humble opinion.
True, but would GalCop Vipers get involved in what is, presumably, a local planetary matter? I thought they were more focused on policing the spacelanes, rather than dealing with planet-side criminals.
One that has limited resources, or complete trusts the specialised transport unit to do it's job no matter who is flying, or maybe just doesn't care that much. I take your point about reputation, though. GalCop Missions incorporates a reputation matrix, so perhaps after you've completed a few other, low-risk missions for the planetary authority, they'd be willing to take you on for prisoner transport.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:48 pmWhich country on the surface of this planet would hire a taxi-driver or some such - out of the blue! - to transport a criminal?
You missed out "Colony Domes" on moons. Counts as a city I guess.
That makes sense. And even my mission requirement to allow you to meet up with a mission contact, that could easily be achieved at a non-capital city.
To be clear, there will be *no* non-deterministic landing sites. In my view, a docked station you can't save at is a *broken* station.