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Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:33 am
by ClymAngus
Cmdr Wyvern wrote:
ClymAngus wrote:
It is by far the most canny use of the "no harm, no foul" policy I've seen in quite a while...

...That said I think I'll be getting my jollies in the past for a while. :D
Did Udian have a TARDIS stashed aboard the Hammer? Somehow that wouldn't surprise me.

It was later noted that shockwaves from nuclear torpedo detonations near the Raxxla event horizon had repercussions that spread throughout the time/space continuum. Here's a blast from the past. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
The story doesn't end with the death of fathers or their sons and legends don't just spring from no-where. Certain "items" were hidden in the 8 gazetteers, clues, way points, places named after lost histories, lost wars. Stories still waiting to be told....

Carrying on the Dr Who metaphor:
"this is the end, but the moment has been prepared for."

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:36 am
by drew
Udian and his series of inter galactic horcruxes?

Cheers,

Drew.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:03 pm
by ClymAngus
More Hannibal than Voldamort. The past is more fun anyway, you've got to do more with less and watch your continuity....

Lighters in the air everyone.
"it's been a long road, getting from there to here." :D

(and wyvern when it comes to JT, "Songs from the wood" never fails to brighten ones outlook.)

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:32 pm
by Cmdr Wyvern
ClymAngus wrote:
(and wyvern when it comes to JT, "Songs from the wood" never fails to brighten ones outlook.)
Tull's cover of Boree isn't half bad either. :)

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:50 am
by Gimi
drew wrote:
I'll be happy if someone manages a 'Tionisla Chronicle Array' OXP. :)

Cheers,

Drew.
I second this. Would be great.

Great book Drew. Mind twisting and unexpected end.

Thank you.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:34 pm
by JazHaz
Finished reading Finis late last night. I think its a good book, but spoils the Ooniverse a bit. I mean making the Thargoids the good guys and Galcop into the bad guys?

And where was the Dark Wheel? Surely they would object against the Thargoids using Raxxla?

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:31 pm
by Cmdr. Maegil
Please note that Galcop were never the "good guys" either, or even effective... think of it as a very loose confederacy based on the minimum compromise possible, with a jurisdiction restricted to space affairs, and generally less effective than the UN (while somehow managing to be even more bureaucratic, incompetent, bloated and potentially corrupt) - another good comparison could be the Holy Roman Empire, as Galcop is also ultimately doomed to be dissolved.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:02 pm
by Gimi
Cmdr. Maegil wrote:
Please note that Galcop were never the "good guys" either, or even effective... think of it as a very loose confederacy based on the minimum compromise possible, with a jurisdiction restricted to space affairs, and generally less effective than the UN (while somehow managing to be even more bureaucratic, incompetent, bloated and potentially corrupt) - another good comparison could be the Holy Roman Empire, as Galcop is also ultimately doomed to be dissolved.
Sounds like the EU.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:19 pm
by Cmdr. Maegil
Gimi wrote:
Sounds like the EU.
I had refrained from derailing this light thread with painful subjects - I intentionally didn't brought it up, even though I agree the comparison is too evident...
If we're to bring up such RL globally-impacting controversies, let's rather open a topic on outworld.

[EDIT: Suggestion to the moderators - move this post and Gimi's to outworld, under topic "Galcop = EU?"]

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:29 pm
by Gimi
Cmdr. Maegil wrote:
Gimi wrote:
Sounds like the EU.
I had refrained from derailing this light thread with painful subjects - I intentionally didn't brought it up, even though I agree the comparison is too evident...
If we're to bring up such RL globally-impacting controversies, let's rather open a topic on outworld.
Sorry :oops:. The similarities were just to many. I'll abstain from further comments.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:50 pm
by drew
Gimi wrote:
Cmdr. Maegil wrote:
Gimi wrote:
Sounds like the EU.
I had refrained from derailing this light thread with painful subjects - I intentionally didn't brought it up, even though I agree the comparison is too evident...
If we're to bring up such RL globally-impacting controversies, let's rather open a topic on outworld.
Sorry :oops:. The similarities were just to many. I'll abstain from further comments.
Speaking as the author, I'd always envisioned Galcop being very similar to the EU. If you look in my author's notes for Finis (end of the book) you'll see that I deliberately drew the parallel. No apology for this, some of the 'Galcop coming apart at the seams' sections were very much influenced by real news items over the last six months.

Cheers,

Drew.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:04 pm
by RyanHoots
Okay, now that I'm finally finished reading Finis, I can ask the question I've wondered since it was mentioned that they destroy Raxxla (or at least its ability to ferry ships between the charts). What happens in G3-8? Do people's galactic drives stop working, or do they still work, but Galactic Hyperdrive from G8 is impossible? This is a big issue for me, as a G5 resident in the game. I'm fine with being trapped there forever, but what about GalCop's presence in G3-8? Does it just collapse, or does it become a new government even more twisted than before? Too many loose ends for me. Maybe someone needs to write a sequel sometime.
Cmdr Wyvern wrote:
Aarrghh! Raxxla is a bloody paradox machine!
I totally agree. However, a good paradox can be quite amusing to unravel, bit by bit. Until you get to the point where you need to use Raxxla to get a 31st century astrophysicist to help you figure it out, and then you have more stuff to figure out, and at this point the paradox isn't any closer to being understood. Oh well... :wink:

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:45 pm
by ClymAngus
If you check your quadrology you'll find that most of this was explained in the first 3 books especially the second. Also I see these books as a way of bridging the substantial textual divide between elite and fronter. No one likes to ruin a perfectly good world so, Raxxla acts as the perfect plot fudge. Whatever story goes on round it, Raxxla acts as a hub linking all times and realities together. A gateway if you will. By destroying it you shut the gateway between realities.

That said if Raxxla exists in ALL dimensions then does destroying it in one dimension obliterate it from the others? Or just that dimensions connection to it; from the point at which it was destroyed of course? In short you can't just go strapping a 3 dimensional explosive to an 8 dimensional device and smugly assume that you've made it "go bye bye".

As for the dark wheel. Why indeed wasn't their a dark wheel intervention? A story yet to be told?

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:44 pm
by RyanHoots
ClymAngus wrote:
As for the dark wheel. Why indeed wasn't their a dark wheel intervention? A story yet to be told?
Maybe the Dark Wheel's intervention attempt was a complete failure, and it didn't show up in the story because they hex-edited all the witnesses.

Re: Finis talk - WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:48 pm
by ClymAngus
the best books in the world sir, start with a "maybe" :)