Oolite removed from Wikipedia Elite article

Rxke · Post by **Rxke** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:29 pm

Guy who removed it says it is a homebrew clone with IP issues....

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history

isn't Oolite a bit like FreeCiv? so no problems, or is Oolite really infringing?

Post by **Disembodied** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:47 pm

Ach, just some wiki editor getting his (or her... no, let's face it, his) knickers in a twist over nothing. The article still links to the Elite wiki, though.

Frame · Post by **Frame** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:04 pm

Rxke wrote:
Guy who removed it says it is a homebrew clone with IP issues....

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history

isn't Oolite a bit like FreeCiv? so no problems, or is Oolite really infringing?

That guy is an idiot, if i understand IP as in TCP/IP. (abbreviations should really be explained if they can mean several things)

The only thing afaik that Oolite uses IP for is for connecting with the debug console... so it is in there by default..

Just shows, he did not check up on why it used IP (if indeed it its the IP protocol)

Also regarding homebrew brew... and TNK was not a homebrew clone ? .

Regarding infringing.. maybe if they could make a buck at releasing a similar product.. but lets face it... it would be shot down in reviews all over the world..

Wiki pages · Post by **Thargoid** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:17 pm

I'd guess he means IP being intellectual property, as in copyright etc.

Rxke · Post by **Rxke** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:22 pm

Yes, Intellectual Property. He removed Pindler's stuff(TNK) too...

And I spotted he made a mistake in rearranging the infobox, he removed all the platforms for which ports were made, but he made an error: removed BBC and kept Archimedes...

Frame · Post by **Frame** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:26 pm

Thargoid wrote:
I'd guess he means IP being intellectual property, as in copyright etc.

Ahh ok Thanks... did try to google it.
and got this

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IP is an abbreviation for Information Provider
IP is an abbreviation for Innings Pitched
IP is an abbreviation for Intermediate Point
IP is an abbreviation for Internet Protocol
IP is an abbreviation for Identification Peculiarity
IP is an abbreviation for Image Processing
IP is an abbreviation for Index Pulse
IP is an abbreviation for Initial Point
IP is an abbreviation for Intermediate Pressure
IP is an abbreviation for Instruction Pointer

Rxke · Post by **Rxke** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:26 pm

Disembodied wrote:
Ach, just some wiki editor getting his (or her... no, let's face it, his) knickers in a twist over nothing. The article still links to the Elite wiki, though.

Ok, but it's still a bummer: lots of people used to find Oolite through the wiki article on Elite, I'd bet....

Frame · Post by **Frame** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:38 pm

hmm not when i looked :S

but now i see... i even clicked un "current version"...

its sad to see wikipedia getting invaded by self rightous admins with attitude.. sort a like many BB moderators. that is a sure way to start alienating people...

i can see this particular editor is sweeping through all vidio games sections and editing them... i wonder if he gets a boner while doing this

Seems they got these new "clone" guidelines... i would argue that everything is essential a clone of the first spacegames released.

Freelancer and Eve falls into that catagory too i would argue...

But since this is not a commercial product it is safe to take a piss at people, anyway i cant understand why they have to take into account infringement... and remove it from the article, since it is really none of their concerns... afaik, it is not illigal to link to open source projects, clones or not clones with IP issues, its should not be up to them to even bother with this aspect.. its like Censoring in communist China.

i´m pretty sure frontier has heard of oolite, and if they Dared, they would shut it down, like they did with TNK. But they dont, cause everybody got mad at them for doing that back then... if they actually developed and released Elite 4, i could understand it... but Elite 4.. is like a myth now... never going to happen, especially not since the release of EVE, which is prolly what Elite 4 would have been had frontier, not had their fingers up their special place for so long...

ClymAngus · Post by **ClymAngus** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:53 pm

Too much of mom's cellar food would appear to have a detrimental effect on personal humility and relative self importance.

Wikipedia is an arse, Half my time there is spent refixing links and having pitch battles with the "well read, yet still ignorant".

Rxke · Post by **Rxke** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:01 pm

removed because of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... te_content

Homebrew clones and remakes: These are generally included for self-promotion and may infringe on copyrighted works.
Based on: Wikipedia is not a soapbox

Lamers.

ClymAngus · Post by **ClymAngus** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:24 pm

# Homebrew clones and remakes: These are generally included for self-promotion and may infringe on copyrighted works.

Based on: Wikipedia is not a soapbox

Hmmm, I wonder if that applies to linux?

Ramirez · Post by **Ramirez** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:14 pm

While I think we're pretty safe on the IP front, I can understand wikipedia's reasoning not to include homebrew remakes. Sadly there's no policy to exclude 'commercial clones and remakes', which would in one fell swoop clear wikipedia from some of the rubbish that's been churned out by game companies over the past few years.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:31 pm

Responded here. I don’t really care about the promotion aspect, but as a Wikipedian it strikes me as a dumb edit.

Ramirez wrote:
While I think we're pretty safe on the IP front, I can understand wikipedia's reasoning not to include homebrew remakes. Sadly there's no policy to exclude 'commercial clones and remakes', which would in one fell swoop clear wikipedia from some of the rubbish that's been churned out by game companies over the past few years.

Wikipedia doesn’t have a reasoning in the matter; the guideline in question is not a policy, it’s a project guideline.

FSOneblin · Post by **FSOneblin** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:03 pm

Just add it again, see if we can sneak it in.... in the mean time, lets get that guys ip address and have some fun

. So, yeah, yelling at him won't do anything, so let's take action, if we can't add it again, Let's get more people by putting flyers around were we live. If we can't do that, oh well, lets just move on.

Don't Panic: FSOneblin

Website · Post by **DaddyHoggy** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:04 pm

It looks like you've had a reply Ahruman and it's strikes me as slightly odd/overbearing/unpleasant in tone.

I've given up on Wikipedia - stopped using it for anything last year. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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