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Realistic Shipyards OXP

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I proudly present: The Zzzz Realistic Shipyards OXP V1.0 :!:


It features:

* A complete overhaul of Oolite's shipyards system.

* Consistent Ship Prices & Tech Levels for ALL SHIPS of ALL OXPs available in Oolite (including all strict mode ships)

* Diverse alternate beginnings for Jamesons due to better ship availability

* Game Balance & Strategic Elements concerning ships enhanced

* Contains a creative solution to the Uber-ship problem


It can be viewed here http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Realistic_Shipyards

and downloaded from here http://wiki.alioth.net/images/0/0d/Zzzz ... ds.oxp.zip


The OXP also contains a Ship Stats RTF which lists all buyable ships of strict mode and all oxps :!:


Have fun, feedback welcome :!:


Realistic Shipyards OXP V1.0


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An addon for Oolite by Giles Williams & Jens Ayton

Based on "Elite" by Ian Bell and David Braben.

V1.0 - compatible with Oolite 1.70 and above - 8th March 2008.

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Improvements on game mechanics & overall atmosphere:
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* Game Mechanics - Consistent Ship Prices & Tech Levels: The prices that ships have and the Tech Levels as of which they are available are now completely consistent within the game, irrelevant of whether they are from strict mode or any OXP available today. The more a ship can do the more expensive it is and the higher the Tech Level nescessary to have a chance of it appearing in the shipyard.

* Atmosphere - Consistent Ship Prices & Tech Levels: What Tech Level a world has can now directly be experienced in its shipyard as well, not only in the equipment dock. The kind of ships that appear at a given Tech Level have a certain feel to them of being in the same league - the reason being, that they actually are.

* Game Mechanics - Alternate Beginnings: Newbies to Oolite were often complaining about the too-difficult starting conditions. The question was, how-to make the game more easy to access at the beginning without implementing "get-rich-fast" schemes. This OXP probably solves that problem. With many ships cheaper than the Cobra MkIII available from the Lave shipyard onwards, which are characterised by specific strengths but also major weaknesses compared to the Jameson`s Cobra, the beginner`s path becomes much clearer. New, interesting options become available from the very start of the game without tipping the game balance or the implementation of get-rich schemes!

* Atmosphere - Alternate Beginnings: The game`s beginning is much more complex. Any Jameson can now sell the Cobra MkIII for a transporter which has 100 tons of Cargo Space but no Lasers and no missiles and start trading in earnest; or buy a ship with 0.4 LS and do UPS-Courier runs; or buy a Fighter Ship with good shields and the like and do some beginner`s random hits mission. But this comes at the price of exclusion of any other career path - until the very first trading/courier/fighter scheme enables the beginner to re-buy a ship with more options - or just more of the same.

* Game Mechanics - Game Balance & Strategic Elements: I have spent a lot of time thinking about game mechanics, balance and suggestions from members on the Oolite Boards before creating the prices & TL formulae and this OXP. Ships now become a real, plannable strategic element of the game, instead of insanely over- or underpriced flavour stuff alone. As the Realistic Shipyards` prices and availabilities have directly to do with the ship's quality - and also their individual combinations of strengths & weaknesses - with the help of the included ship stats FOR ALL THE SHIPS currently available IN ANY OXP (!) you can strategically plan your ascent to Elite veteran with an eye on your Credits and tastes alike.

* Atmosphere - Game Balance & Strategic Elements: Think about it - what kind of person do you want to play in Oolite? A pirate? A trader? A law enforcement officer? Space Navy? A courier? A bit of everything or any given combination of the above? Now those are real choices that affect the game. What kind of money can you spend? What might, depending on the aforementioned choices, become your next ship? And the ship after that? And where will you have to go to acquire that kind of ship? All this will now not only happen in your head, but in the game.

* Game Mechanics - Uber Ship problem: There are no more Uber ship problems, as there are no more Uber ships. That doesn`t mean that I`ve changed anything about their stats (I haven`t). But now with the Realistic Shipyards OXP, Uber ships simply become the High-End ships of the Ooniverse, fitting into the overall game mechanics without breaking the game or getting boring. They are available only in systems with the highest Tech Levels and have prices that can reach far beyond the 1 Million Credit range - but that`s only realistic.

* Atmosphere - Uber Ship problem: No more guilty conscience if you fly the better-at-everything Super Cobra, the mighty (original) Imperial Courier or even the interstellar-capable ultrafast Morrigan Beyonder Vessel. Because if you own one of those ships with this OXP in, you`ve fought and traded and did missions long and hard to acquire that much money, and perhaps searched for those vessels a long time in shipyards of the highest supertechnology that the Ooniverse has to offer: You`ve earned it! :)


Overview
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It all started when I was unnerved at the absurd ship pricing in Oolite. Why should you pay so much money for an Asp MkII if it`s really such a let-down from the Jameson`s Cobra MkIII? And aren`t the ultra-fast Benulobiweed ships, the Imperial Courier Battleship and the better-in-all-and-everything SuperCobra Uber ships, to be shunned by the honest player?

I thought not. What was missing for me was a method of accurate pricing, that actually had some kind of relation to any ship`s performance. So I devised a method to derive a more realistic ship pricing from the ship stats. How large is its Cargo Bay? How fast is it? Can every piece of equipment be fitted in? And, most importantly, is it a ship that unites loads of different bonuses (SuperCobra) or maluses (Adder) at once?

I believe this OXP solves the problem of Uber ships and strange prices alike. Now, if you like to own an Asp MkII just for fun, you don`t have to pay twice the price of a Cobra MkIII to do it. If you want to fly the SuperCobra but it felt like cheating, not any more. Because now you`ll have to earn it - by paying 1.6 million Credits ...

In the early and middle stages of the game, you will know that if you buy a ship with more of something, you pay more. And the other way around. Oolite now realistically trades off cargo space against speed against handling and so on - giving you as the player transparent choices of what you are going for. You can work yourself up a continuous ladder of better and better ships.

I think that the Realistic Shipyards OXP can even open up new Vistas of gameplay for Deadly & Elite veteran Commanders. Seen everything? Won against anything? Well, now you might buy and fight some Dreadnought Carrier with 1000 tons of Cargo, 10 Energy Banks & Missile Slots that can fly at 0.75 LS! You will just have to earn an unprecedented 60 million Credits first. So the game will still have to offer the Elite veteran in his Iron Ass SuperCobra something to strive (and trade!) for.

This is my first OXP, and the first time in the last twenty years that I tried my hand at something remotely resembling programming, so bear with me. If you find any bugs or performance issues that are not already listed here, feel free to PM me and I`ll see what I can do about it.


Revised Tech Level of Ship Availability
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I revised the Tech Levels from which onwards a ship will become accessible according to ship quality - i.e., price. Availablility is now as follows:

29.999 Cr or less: TL 1
30.000 to 49.999 Cr: TL 2
50.000 to 74.999 Cr: TL 3
75.000 to 99.999 Cr: TL 4
100.000 to 149.999 Cr: TL 5
150.000 to 199.999 Cr: TL 6
200.000 to 299.999 Cr: TL 7
300.000 to 399.999 Cr: TL 8
400.000 to 499.999 Cr: TL 9
500.000 to 599.999 Cr: TL 10
600.000 to 699.999 Cr: TL 11
700.000 to 799.999 Cr: TL 12
800.000 to 999.999 Cr: TL 13
1 to 3 Million Cr: TL 14
3 Million Cr or more: TL 15


How-To switch from your game without Realistic Shipyards to one with this OXP in (without cheating):
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The Prices and Availablities of ships in the Realistic Shipyards OXP are often massively different from their original ones. If you are starting a completely new game with Commander Jameson anyways, ignore the following text. But if you no longer own your original Cobra MkIII and don`t want to cheat or loose a fortune when changing from Oolite without to Oolite with the Realistic Shipyards OXP in, I suggest you act as follows:

1. Transfer your most recent saved game to a version of Oolite without the "loose 25% when buying/selling ships" - thing, if possible.

2. Buy a standard Cobra MkIII in this version.

3. Change back to your original Oolite version with the Realistic Shipyards OXP on.

4. Think about your new options and with which kind of ship you want to continue your game.

5. Buy the new ship with the Realistic Shipyards OXP on.

6. Enjoy the game including the new shipyards options.

Edit: A second possibility:

1. Find out what your ship used to cost without the OXP and what it costs with the OXP.

2. Calculate the difference in the amount of credits so that it fits again. I.e., you fly a Tesoura, which used to cost 270.000 Cr and costs 430.000 Cr now. You own 250.000 Cr. The difference is that you would have 430.000 - 270.000 ~ 160.000 Cr to much. Deduce them from your free cash 250.000 - 160.000 ~ 90.000 Cr. That`s your new cash balance.

3. Edit your savegame credit stats accordingly. In the above example, you would edit your credits down from 250.000 to 90.000 Cr. From then onwards the Shipyards OXP will play out properly anyways.

You don`t have to follow the above routine to play Zzzz Realistic Shipyards OXP. You can just put the OXP into your AddOns folder and start playing. But, if you don`t, you might effectively cheat or loose a fortune by doing that. It`s your decision; you have been warned :)


Known Performance Issues
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* Do not rename this OXP! The Zzzz - Beginning is nescessary so that the Ship Pricing OXP`s revised prices and Tech Level limits overwrite all other ship price and TL stats, so the Z`s have to stay on or the OXP will not work properly.

* If you find any bugs or performance issues that are not already listed here, feel free to PM me and I`ll see what I can do about it!

* In Oolite 1.70, it is irrelevant for the function of the Realistic Shipyards OXP if you have all ship OXPs in existence installed or the Realistic Shipyards is the only OXP in your AddOns folder or anything inbetween. Note that it is currently unknown if this OXP can work with versions of Oolite below 1.70. Feedback is appreciated!

* I will be very grateful if other OXP`ers notify me if they create new OXP`s with shipyard.plists in or change existing one`s. I will attempt to upgrade the Realistic Shipyards OXP so that it covers everything shipwise currently available. Just PM me with the stats of your new/revised ship and I will include the additional information.


Revised Ship Prices & Tech Levels
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Ship: Price: Minimal TL:
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TECH LEVEL 1+ SHIPS:

Flying strut: 276 Cr* 1
Adder (2nd Hand): 25.340 Cr 1
Adder Generic Racer: 25.700 Cr 1
Adder: 29.500 Cr 1

TECH LEVEL 2+ SHIPS:

Mongoose Fighter: 32.150 Cr 2
Vintage Adder: 32.250 Cr 2
Cobra MkI: 33.080 Cr 2
Cobra Mark I: 33.270 Cr 2
Mamba: 35.880 Cr 2
Hatchling BoyRacer1: 37.000 Cr 2
Krait: 39.040 Cr 2
Tribant Trader: 39.050 Cr 2
Sidewinder Scout Ship: 39.600 Cr 2
Cobra Mark I 'Grim': 40.070 Cr 2
Viper: 40.240 Cr 2
Hatchling BoyRacer2: 40.740 Cr 2
Shreddies Super Star: 40.860 Cr 2
StarSeeker Personal Shuttle: 42.200 Cr 2
Eagle Mk II: 43.850 Cr 2
Hatchling BoyRacer3: 44.600 Cr 2
Drake: 46.180 Cr 2
Viper Escort: 46.300 Cr 2
Renegade Viper: 46.700 Cr 2
Viper Pursuit: 47.100 Cr 2
Moray Medical Boat (2nd Hand): 48.600 Cr 2

TECH LEVEL 3+ SHIPS:

GalCop Viper: 53.800 Cr 3
Sidewinder Escort: 60.150 Cr 3
Eagle Mk II (Black): 61.300 Cr 3
Moray-R Medical Boat: 61.840 Cr 3
Moray Medical Boat: 61.840 Cr 3
Asp Mark I: 66.360 Cr 3
Icarus: 66.500 Cr 3
Krait Dragster: 67.850 Cr 3
Gecko: 70.760 Cr 3
Cobra Mark II-X: 70.800 Cr 3
Team Zorg Anaconda: 72.160 Cr 3
Ringhals: 73.540 Cr 3
Ionics Whitetail: 74.300 Cr 3

TECH LEVEL 4+ SHIPS:

Saber: 75.300 Cr 4
Aphid: 76.000 Cr 4
Ophidian Class Yacht: 79.750 Cr 4
Delta Long-Range Escort: 79.800 Cr 4
Moray-R Star Boat: 80.300 Cr 4
Moray Star Boat: 80.300 Cr 4
Moray Star Boat (2nd Hand): 80.350 Cr 4
Cobra Mark III (YAH): 84.000 Cr 4
Zorg Racing Sidewinder: 85.200 Cr 4
Gemini Escort: 85.430 Cr 4
Outrider: 85.500 Cr 4
Fer-de-Lance (2nd Hand): 89.300 Cr 4
'Sun' Ray: 90.400 Cr 4
Chuckwalla: 92.900 Cr 4
Ghavial: 94.350 Cr 4
Nemesis: 97.200 Cr 4
Asp Explorer: 98.900 Cr 4
Ionics Huntsman: 99.900 Cr 4

TECH LEVEL 5+ SHIPS:

Asp Mark II: 101.600 Cr 5
Fer-de-Lance: 103.000 Cr 5
Cribo Mark II Chicaneer: 104.000 Cr 5
Cribo Mark IV Chicaneer: 104.000 Cr 5
Spearhead MK1: 107.800 Cr 5
Cobra Clipper SAR: 113.400 Cr 5
Velocity 150: 115.200 Cr 5
Chameleon: 115.500 Cr 5
Ferdepai: 119.000 Cr 5
Trident Executive Shuttle: 120.800 Cr 5
Asp MkII: 120.960 Cr 5
Navy Surplus Asp Mark II: 120.960 Cr 5
Bandy-Bandy Courier: 123.800 Cr 5
L-Crate Transporter: 127.100 Cr 5
Lambdashuttle: 127.200 Cr 5
Cobra Mark III (2nd Hand): 132.300 Cr 5
Drake Mk II: 133.780 Cr 5
Asp Mark II Special: 136.080 Cr 5
Cobra Clipper Stealth: 136.080 Cr 5
Kukri Mark I Dragster: 137.170 Cr 5
Longshot: 146.250 Cr 5

TECH LEVEL 6+ SHIPS:

Cobra MkIII: 150.000 Cr 6
Llama: 150.000 Cr 6
Python (2nd Hand): 151.000 Cr 6
Wolf Mark I: 153.300 Cr 6
Mosquito Sport: 155.200 Cr 6
Adder Mk II: 157.500 Cr 6
Kukri Mark II Dragster: 159.300 Cr 6
Griffin Two: 161.300 Cr 6
Cobra Rapier: 164.600 Cr 6
Cobra Mark III: 165.000 Cr 6
Taipan: 167.080 Cr 6
Salamander: 170.600 Cr 6
Monitor: 171.700 Cr 6
Excalibur: 174.640 Cr 6
Cat Mark I: 177.000 Cr 6
Python 'Blackdog': 172.600 Cr 6
Grass Snake: 173.750 Cr 6
Chopped Cobra: 174.650 Cr 6
Pelamis: 176.400 Cr 6
Python: 177.650 Cr 6
Cobra Courier SE: 178.600 Cr 6
Vampire MkI: 187.800 Cr 6
Mussurana: 188.300 Cr 6
Far Star: 194.640 Cr 6
Iguana: 195.000 Cr 6

TECH LEVEL 7+ SHIPS:

Mosquito Trader: 207.400 Cr 7
Cobra III NjX: 209.700 Cr 7
Cobra Courier: 210.600 Cr 7
Hamadryad: 236.500 Cr 7
Strelka Cruiseliner: 240.000 Cr 7
Remorse Of Conscience v2: 246.960 Cr 7
Purple Haze: 252.400 Cr 7
Shield-tail: 252.400 Cr 7
Rigel Tactical Bomber: 265.000 Cr 7
Cobra III NjX (Ex-Mil): 269.000 Cr 7
Starwolf Mark I: 270.600 Cr 7
Military Stingray (2nd Hand): 271.800 Cr 7
Eel Rapier: 277.500 Cr 7
Ixian No-Ship Mark I: 279.000 Cr 7
Josher: 284.540 Cr 7
Boa (2nd Hand): 286.600 Cr 7
Urutu MK III: 287.280 Cr 7
Python ET Special: 288.100 Cr 7

TECH LEVEL 8+ SHIPS:

Jabberwocky: 300.700 Cr 8
Ionics Redback: 314.000 Cr 8
Boa: 315.200 Cr 8
Dragon Assault Craft: 317.500 Cr 8
Seymour Class Cargo Sled: 324.700 Cr 8
Urutu MkIV: 325.800 Cr 8
Phoenix: 338.580 Cr 8
Wolf Mark II: 340.000 Cr 8
Wolf Mark II SE: 340.000 Cr 8
Military Stingray: 366.900 Cr 8
Paladin: 381.500 Cr 8
Starhawk Class Cruiser: 386.700 Cr 8
Starbelly Class Sled: 386.700 Cr 8
Firewasp: 387.800 Cr 8
Imperial Courier (New Vs.): 392.000 Cr 8

TECH LEVEL 9+ SHIPS:

Fer-de-Lance NG: 411.000 Cr 9
Viper Interceptor: 425.250 Cr 9
Ixian Gunship: 427.000 Cr 9
Tesoura: 432.000 Cr 9
GalCop Viper Interceptor: 486.000 Cr 9
Python Class Cruiser: 492.480 Cr 9

TECH LEVEL 10+ SHIPS:

Swift: 564.300 Cr 10
Vampire MkII - Purgatori: 572.000 Cr 10

TECH LEVEL 11+ SHIPS:

BTL-53 Y-Wing: 620.500 Cr 11
Boa Class Cruiser (2nd Hand): 644.500 Cr 11
Naga: 651.200 Cr 11
Boa Class Cruiser: 679.900 Cr 11

TECH LEVEL 12+ SHIPS:

Merlin: 705.800 Cr 12
Anaconda: 714.150 Cr 12
Vampire MkII - Reaper: 721.000 Cr 12
Kestrel: 736.500 Cr 12
Terrapin: 782.400 Cr 12
Lampyris: 783.000 Cr 12

TECH LEVEL 13+ SHIPS:

TIE-Fighter: 872.500 Cr 13
Ixian Freighter MK1: 895.800 Cr 13
Anaconda (2nd Hand): 946.000 Cr 13

TECH LEVEL 14+ SHIPS:

Firefly: 1.073.400 Cr 14
Incom T-65 X-Wing: 1.079.600 Cr 14
Tiger Mark I: 1.147.600 Cr 14
Penelope Class Freighter: 1.271.000 Cr 14
TIE-Interceptor: 1.303.000 Cr 14
A-Wing: 1.542.000 Cr 14
Super Cobra: 1.622.000 Cr 14
B-Wing: 2.070.000 Cr 14
Tepiu: 2.299.000 Cr 14
Pallas: 2.677.000 Cr 14
Imperial Courier (Old Vs.): 2.850.000 Cr 14

TECH LEVEL 15+ SHIPS:

Falcon: 3.384.000 Cr 15
Falcon-S: 3.384.000 Cr 15
Constrictor: 3.470.000 Cr 15
The Morrigan: 4.820.000 Cr 15
The Ultimate Uber Ship: 345.610.000 Cr** 15

* Fun item (fictional lowest limit) I took out (by revising its required Tech Level to 99)
** (Fictional? upper limit) - An ultimate Uber Uber ship


Alphabetical List of OXPs which`s ships have been included into this version:
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* All strict mode ships
* Aegidian-Special
* All-Stars
* AphidV2
* Assassins
* A-Wing
* Boyracers
* B-Wing
* Cobra3Njx
* Cobra35
* CobraClipperPC
* Commies
* Dragon
* Dreams01Beta
* Dredger
* DWCobra3
* Eagle2
* Executive Spaceways V2.2
* Far Star
* Ferdelance_NG
* Ferdepai
* Firewasp
* Grass_Snake
* Greekshipset1
* Griffin2
* Hotrods
* Icarus
* Illicit_Unlock_FIX1.56
* Impcourier (Old)
* Impcourier2 (New)
* Interceptor
* Ionics-1.2.1
* Isisinterstellar
* Ixianfreighter
* Ixianships
* Jabberwocky
* Kestrel&Falcon
* Lambda
* Lane_Legal
* Llama
* Longshot
* Marett_Vol1
* Merlin
* Morrigan
* MPakRedux
* Murgh_XShips
* Newships
* Oldships
* Outrider
* Pallas
* Pelamis
* Phoenix
* PTI
* PythonClassCruiserV2.6
* Racers
* Renegade_Viper
* RoC
* SalezaV2
* Shield-Tail
* Shreddies
* Spearhead_1
* Stingray
* Stingray_Mk_II
* Supercobra
* Swift
* Terrapin
* Tesoura
* TIE
* Tiger
* Tribant
* Urutu_IV
* UrutuMkIII
* Velocity
* WolfMk2
* Wolfwoods_Variants
* X-Ships
* X-Wing
* Your_Ad_Here
* Y-Wing
* Zz-Oo-Haul


How-To calculate the Revised Ship Prices
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The Basic Reference Ship is the

Cobra MkIII:
Extended Cargo Capacity: 35 tons
Speed: 0.35 LS
Energy Banks: 4
Missile Slots: 4
Possible Equipment: All
Manoeuvrability (Pitch/Roll): 1.5
Gun Mounts: All 4
Energy recharge rate: 4
Price without Equipment: 150.000 Cr

Cobra MkIII is taken as standard with a Standard Price of 150.000 Cr, and then

Extended Cargo Capacity: Price is raised/lowered 20%/10% per 20 additional/smaller Cargo Bay
Speed: Price is doubled (each time)/lowered 20% per 0.1 LS jump up/down
Energy Banks: Price is raised/lowered 20%/10% per additional/fewer Energy Bank
Missile Slots: Price is raised/lowered 20%/10% per additional/fewer Missile Slots
Possible Equipment: Price is taken down 10% per essential equipment piece not available
Manoeuvrability (Pitch/Roll): Price is raised/lowered 20% per 0.5 additional/lower Pitch/Roll
Gun Mounts: Price is lowered 10% per unavailable, 5% per reduced capacity Gun Mount
Energy recharge rate: Price is raised/lowered 20%/10% per 1 additional/lower Energy recharge rate

Any Price without Equipment is the result of 150.000 Cr multiplied by all multipliers!
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Post by Disembodied »

Nice one! I'm intrigued (and I admit a bit peeved) to see that I paid over the odds for my Wolf II SE! One query, though -- have you maybe transposed the entries for the Fer de Lance and the Fer de Lance NG? The NG is the one with the 0.6 top speed and the snazzy paint-jobs and the ocasional dubious "Oriental writing" (ahem...): the poor old original Ferdie trundles along at a poky 0.3.
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Post by FSOneblin »

Nice oxp there. I started out new,and got a boyracer, then a grim. You are awsome! I reccomed this to any first time player!I wounder what your going to do next... (I tried to make a ship, but could not find the creat cone :oops:)
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Thanks for the compliments!

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Thanks, I am happy that I`m not the only one who likes the idea of consistent pricing! :)

@Disembodied: You were right! All those different versions of the same ships ... the Fer-de-Lance price has been repaired - please reload the oxp!

By the way, there is a solution for changing from Oolite without the Shipyards to Oolite with it without loosing hard-earned Credits or cheating. It`s in the Read me :idea:

@FSOneblin: Happy also that it works, that was what I had in mind: You start the game and immediately have many options what to do, without breaking the game or unbalancing it. Cool 8)

I have indeed ideas for a Realistic Shipyards 2.0. They expound the fact that with this oxp, the possibility for shiptypes that would have made no sense before becomes potentially interesting.

I.e. ships like a Corvette, a captured Thargoid Warship, an interstellar explorer vessel or even a player Carrier.

But for the moment and after a week spent with the (for me) extremely unusual action of scripting I´ve had enough for the moment :? Perhaps at a later time ...

In the meantime, I hope you have fun :!:

L

PS @Disembodied :)

How-To switch from your game without Realistic Shipyards to one with this OXP in (without cheating):

The Prices and Availablities of ships in the Realistic Shipyards OXP are often massively different from their original ones. If you are starting a completely new game with Commander Jameson anyways, ignore the following text. But if you no longer own your original Cobra MkIII and don`t want to cheat or loose a fortune when changing from Oolite without to Oolite with the Realistic Shipyards OXP in, I suggest you act as follows:

1. Transfer your most recent saved game to a version of Oolite without the "loose 25% when buying/selling ships" - thing, if possible.

2. Buy a standard Cobra MkIII in this version.

3. Change back to your original Oolite version with the Realistic Shipyards OXP on.

4. Think about your new options and with which kind of ship you want to continue your game.

5. Buy the new ship with the Realistic Shipyards OXP on.

6. Enjoy the game including the new shipyards options.

You don`t have to follow the above routine to play Zzzz Realistic Shipyards OXP. You can just put the OXP into your AddOns folder and start playing. But, if you don`t, you might effectively cheat or loose a fortune by doing that. It`s your decision; you have been warned :)
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Post by The Dreamcatcher »

What a superb oxp. I'm very tempted to start a new game so I can play this properly. I'm just loath to lose my kills/ranking. The money isn't a problem cuz I can just go and kill some innocent traders and steal their goodies :D
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Not really nescessary to loose your rank & stuff ...

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I'm very tempted to start a new game so I can play this properly. I'm just loath to lose my kills/ranking.
There are at least two methods to change to the Shipyards OXP without loosing everything.

One is listed straight above.

The second is:

1. Find out what your ship used to cost without the OXP and what it costs with the OXP.

2. Calculate the difference in the amount of credits so that it fits again. I.e., you fly a Tesoura, which used to cost 270.000 Cr and costs 430.000 Cr now. You own 250.000 Cr. The difference is that you would have 430.000 - 270.000 ~ 160.000 Cr to much. Deduce them from your free cash 250.000 - 160.000 ~ 90.000 Cr. That`s your new cash balance.

3. Edit your savegame credit stats accordingly. In the above example, you would edit your credits down from 250.000 to 90.000 Cr. From then onwards the Shipyards OXP will play out properly anyways.
What a superb oxp
Thanks! :)

Have fun,

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Post by Arexack_Heretic »

Great job!

I always wanted to introduce this kind of policy, but was never able to implement it.


Are you sure cargospace should be that expensive?
It is only space you know, rather low tech and just the absence of the goodstuff.
I'd suggest a flat 10/10% trade-in.

maybe even a discount for larger volumes.
(coupled to an increase of cost in other areas?)
This would suggest ship-class uniforms with different premiums on the respective properties?
(ie if a ship has more than a certain amount of cargo and less than a certain amount of energybanks, it is a freighter. Freighters get a discount on cargospace, but speed and energybanks are expensive.)


Anyhow. just some suggestions. good job. :D
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Finally something to deal with the über question.

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Just got around to playing since installing this oxp.

I am on 1.68 and the ship yard doesn't work at all. Pressing F3 twice does nothing. I have no ship yard at all. I tried it with a new game and still didin't work.

I took the oxp out and it worked as normal.

Any chance of getting this to work with 1.68?
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Hye,

Is there a deeper reason why you are not playing it with 1.70? It definitely seems to work with this version. And, as far as I believe to have heard, 1.68 is LESS stable than 1.70.

I would definitely recommend upgrading to 1.70, as I have no idea if and how the Realistic Shipyards can be made to work under 1.68, nor, actually, why it doesn`t work. It should.

By the way ... can it be that you have renamed the OXP? If you, for example, took the Zzzz out, it would stop working on any version of Oolite.

I hope something of this helps :)

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Post by elite »

Lestradae wrote:
Hye,

Is there a deeper reason why you are not playing it with 1.70? It definitely seems to work with this version. And, as far as I believe to have heard, 1.68 is LESS stable than 1.70.

I would definitely recommend upgrading to 1.70, as I have no idea if and how the Realistic Shipyards can be made to work under 1.68, nor, actually, why it doesn`t work. It should.

By the way ... can it be that you have renamed the OXP? If you, for example, took the Zzzz out, it would stop working on any version of Oolite.

I hope something of this helps :)

L
No I havn't renamed the oxp.

The reason I am still using 1.68 is because 1.70 had very strange stella backgrounds.
I saw nothing but faint square. Obviously something to do with the crappy video card on my laptop. Although I can play other high end games without any problems.

Very strange.
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Think thats to do with Sung's texture pack. You can still use it with 1.70, but you need to delete the Galaxy.PNG from it, as it messes up the skys on 1.70. 1.68 has some bad script bugs in it so will not work properly with a lot of missions.
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This is waaay beyond my league of bug-hunting ...

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The reason I am still using 1.68 is because 1.70 had very strange stella backgrounds. I saw nothing but faint square. Obviously something to do with the crappy video card on my laptop.
I suggest you ask this question to Ahruman or any other of the really fit guys concerning this stuff. But this is a Oolite-question and not a Realistic Shipyards question :?: :!:

EDIT: Little Bear, that was fast. Perhaps there you have your solution for upgrading to 1.70 :idea:

When I was still in the planning stages for the Realistic Shipyards, Ahruman said that the principle that makes the OXP work possibly only works from 1.70 onwards and would collapse 1.65. I have no idea why, but (as it says in the readme) would suggest playing it only with 1.70 onwards. :?

By the way: A big upgrade to the final version - Realistic Shipyards V1.03 - is coming this minute. It adds a few cool new ships for veteran players. Check it out! 8)

Have fun :)

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Post by elite »

LittleBear wrote:
Think thats to do with Sung's texture pack.
I don't have that installed.

EDIT: In fact I am going to download 1.70 again so I can take a screen shot of the stella background so someone on here may be able to suggest a way to make it look better.
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Ohh. This looks great!

I was just about to sell my original Cobra as well. Perfect timing. :D
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