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Ace Cruiser

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When playing with the 1.87 build I happen to notice that Ace's Cruiser wasn't showing up at any of the stations.
So I uninstalled it through the manager and went to reinstall it to see if that would bring it up.
When I did, the game crashed. Tried it a couple times just to make sure, and even put a copy of the OXZ into the addons folder but still won't come up. So I think it needs some looking at.
I really like this ship as a hauler.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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Any chance of seeing your log file from one of the crashes?
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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I'm not sure how to do that. lol
I know that the other Ace ships worked fine.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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BlackWolf wrote:
I'm not sure how to do that.
Check this link out: Oolite FAQ - Diagnosing Problems. That should help a bit.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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I'll get and post that later today when I have some free time.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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13:41:15.260 [plist.parse.failed]: Failed to parse /Users/raymondjames/Library/Application Support/Oolite/Managed AddOns/oolite.oxp.phkb.ShipRespray.oxz/Config/descriptions.plist as a property list.
Unexpected character { at line 1
13:41:15.558 [shipData.load.begin]: Loading ship data.
13:41:15.907 [plist.parse.failed]: Failed to parse /Users/raymondjames/Library/Application Support/Oolite/Managed AddOns/oolite.oxp.phkb.ShipRespray.oxz/Config/shipdata-overrides.plist as a property list.
Unexpected character { at line 1

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13:41:16.062 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.062 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.062 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.

13:41:16.068 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.068 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.068 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.068 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.

13:41:16.074 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.074 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.074 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.074 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship bounty_griff_prototype_boa-NPC_Pirate is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.076 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-PLAYER is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.076 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-PLAYER is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.076 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-PLAYER is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.076 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-PLAYER is too high, using 7200.0.

13:41:16.095 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.095 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.095 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.096 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_prototype_boa-NPC is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:16.279 [shipData.load.error]: ***** ERROR: the shipdata.plist entry "FuelC-cob3-alternate" specifies non-existent model "cobra3_redux1.dat".
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13:41:17.008 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_green_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.008 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_green_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.008 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_green_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
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13:41:17.009 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_blue_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.009 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_blue_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.009 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_blue_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.009 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_blue_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
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13:41:17.014 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_alpha_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.014 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_alpha_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.014 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_alpha_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.014 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_alpha_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
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13:41:17.015 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_Template is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.015 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_Template is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.015 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_Template is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.015 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_Template is too high, using 7200.0.
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13:41:17.016 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_red_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.016 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_red_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
13:41:17.017 [shipData.load.warning.turret.badWeaponRange]: ----- WARNING: ball turret weapon range of 7500 for subentity of ship griff_NPC_prototype_boa_decals_from_red_channel is too high, using 7200.0.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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Wasn't sure of what all you needed to see and it was to many characters so had to shorten it up to fit.
Left all the lines that said warning or fail.
Looks like Griffs prototype Boa isn't getting along well.
I'll take it out and try again.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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BlackWolf wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:00 pm
... it was to many characters so had to shorten it up to fit.
If something (like a log) is too long, you could host it somewhere (Box, Google Docs, etc) and link to it.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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Cody wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:36 pm
BlackWolf wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:00 pm
... it was to many characters so had to shorten it up to fit.
If something (like a log) is too long, you could host it somewhere (Box, Google Docs, etc) and link to it.
Tip: if you highlight a block of code in a post, then hit the Code button, it becomes easier to read.
Sorry.
Not real familiar with stuff like this. lol Any ways, I'm going to go through my addons folder, pull the unique OXZ's & P's that can not be downloaded through manager, set them off to the side, deleye and wipe it all, and start from scratch and see if that works.

as stated above, but not seen in log, is that the game quits and goes to desk top halfway through the Ace Cruiser download from manager.
I know the ship was fine in the 1.86 version, favorite ship.

On a side note, I pulled two oxp's that thought might be causing the issue: Railgun and Tianve. Railgun works fine in 1.87 but in the log it says there is an issue, same as Tianve, but have not ever reached the planet to know for sure. lol
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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Okay starting from a clean fresh 1.87 install, Ace's Cruiser crashed and closed the game in mid download.
Fresh install no save files no commander, didn't even hit start.
Has to be the file. :(
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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That was from within the download manager, correct? Can you download the OXZ manually and add it to a clean Oolite install and see what happens?
Oh, and if you can paste the last say 30 lines of your latest.log file after one of the crashes, that would be helpful too. And you're on a Mac, correct? (I'm just trying to collect as much info as I can to debug with)
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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phkb wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:07 am
That was from within the download manager, correct? Can you download the OXZ manually and add it to a clean Oolite install and see what happens?
Oh, and if you can paste the last say 30 lines of your latest.log file after one of the crashes, that would be helpful too. And you're on a Mac, correct? (I'm just trying to collect as much info as I can to debug with)
Yes Mac, I'll see what I can do on the logs.
But it's all of the Ace Ships.
Just did a complete reinstall and tried all his ships. :(
Sad cause they are all good looking ships.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

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And if you download them manually? Does that work?
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Re: Ace Cruiser

Post by BlackWolf »

Here is a crash vid with logs. Sorry best I can do right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNd27D ... e=youtu.be

I did do a manual install for the cruiser and the nightwing. Starts up but don't know if the ships will show up in the stations or not. I'll get you something on the log. PM me an email and I can email them to ya, Box cost money.
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Re: Ace Cruiser

Post by phkb »

Thanks for the video - that's really weird. It appears to be Mac related, because on a clean PC install I can download all the Ace ships without a hitch. My suspicion (and I'm really stretching here) is that the "\" character included in the identifier, name and description fields of the manifest.plist file are causing something in the Mac to flip it's lid. Mac's are notoriously picky about the format of plist files, and I'm beginning to suspect something similar is in play here.

And while I can easily change the manifest files, changing the identifier would mean everyone who has the current version would have to manually uninstall it and install the new version (because it would be considered a brand new OXP, with no relation to the old one). So that's why I'm trying to work out if the packs will work if you manually install them, rather than install them through the manager. It will help me describe the upgrade path for current users.
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