Maybe there is, I happy to hear suggestionsSmivs wrote:I appreciate and understand what you are trying to do here, but it cannot possibly be 'best' to have three pages instead of one! Also, I have to believe that people looking up my OXP will want all the info together on one page. It seems crazy to have the OXP 'detailed' on one page without most of the important details ie the ship descriptions and info. And if I keep the page largely as it is (with all the info pertinant to it) there will be mostly pointless duplication on the two ship pages.maik wrote:Yes, that would be best: one page per OXP with link to each page for each ship. Exception: If there is only one ship in an OXP then both can have the same page.Smivs wrote:So how should I deal with something like the Clippers? Two ships (Python and Boa Clippers) in one OXP. Am I supposed to have three pages now - one for the OXP and one for each ship? It's not only the dynamic list getting confused here
I'm sure this isn't the only multi-ship OXP like this...there must be a better way to handle this, surely.
The Alphabetical Ship List
Moderators: winston, another_commander
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
- Fatleaf
- Intergalactic Spam Assassin
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:11 am
- Location: In analysis mode on Phaelon
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Ah! Thanks. It's there now. It seems to take the name of the picture you use for the info not the actual name for the ship!maik wrote:Heh, took me a while to figure it out: You have to click the refresh button at the top of the dynamic list to get an immediate refresh. Otherwise it shows you something that had been precompiled and I don't know yet how often that is refreshed automatically.Fatleaf wrote:I have been trying to get the Green Gecko appear in the new dynamic list. I have made the change as described and it displays fine on the GG page but so far, after many a re-fresh, it is not showing
Where am I going wrong?
Find out about the early influences of Fatleaf here. Also his OXP's!
Holds the Ooniversal record for "Thread Necromancy"
Holds the Ooniversal record for "Thread Necromancy"
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
That's because the header bar of this info box is supposed to display the name of the ship, not a description of the pictureFatleaf wrote:Ah! Thanks. It's there now. It seems to take the name of the picture you use for the info not the actual name for the ship!maik wrote:Heh, took me a while to figure it out: You have to click the refresh button at the top of the dynamic list to get an immediate refresh. Otherwise it shows you something that had been precompiled and I don't know yet how often that is refreshed automatically.Fatleaf wrote:I have been trying to get the Green Gecko appear in the new dynamic list. I have made the change as described and it displays fine on the GG page but so far, after many a re-fresh, it is not showing
Where am I going wrong?
- Fatleaf
- Intergalactic Spam Assassin
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:11 am
- Location: In analysis mode on Phaelon
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
But it looks so goood as a description of the picturemaik wrote:That's because the header bar of this info box is supposed to display the name of the ship, not a description of the picture
>Fatleaf goes to find another way<
Find out about the early influences of Fatleaf here. Also his OXP's!
Holds the Ooniversal record for "Thread Necromancy"
Holds the Ooniversal record for "Thread Necromancy"
- Rese249er
- ---- E L I T E ----
- Posts: 647
- Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:19 pm
- Location: Well, I WAS in G3...
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Redirects?maik wrote:Maybe there is, I happy to hear suggestionsSmivs wrote:I'm sure this isn't the only multi-ship OXP like this...there must be a better way to handle this, surely.
Got all turned around, lost my nav connection... Where am I now?
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
I just spent some 15 minutes to make 3 pages out of the one in the sandbox wiki. The text probably needs some further editing, but beyond that it's not too bad. Matter of taste in the end, I guess, though: http://sandbox.maikschulz.de/index.php/Clippers_OXPSmivs wrote:I appreciate and understand what you are trying to do here, but it cannot possibly be 'best' to have three pages instead of one! Also, I have to believe that people looking up my OXP will want all the info together on one page. It seems crazy to have the OXP 'detailed' on one page without most of the important details ie the ship descriptions and info. And if I keep the page largely as it is (with all the info pertinant to it) there will be mostly pointless duplication on the two ship pages.maik wrote:Yes, that would be best: one page per OXP with link to each page for each ship. Exception: If there is only one ship in an OXP then both can have the same page.Smivs wrote:So how should I deal with something like the Clippers? Two ships (Python and Boa Clippers) in one OXP. Am I supposed to have three pages now - one for the OXP and one for each ship? It's not only the dynamic list getting confused here
I'm sure this isn't the only multi-ship OXP like this...there must be a better way to handle this, surely.
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
it does. But take a look at the [wiki]Adder (Oolite)[/wiki] (again, I know, it's getting old). There is a "catalogue" picture for the info box, and an action shot with appropriate description for the start of the prose. Maybe that's what you're after?Fatleaf wrote:But it looks so goood as a description of the picturemaik wrote:That's because the header bar of this info box is supposed to display the name of the ship, not a description of the picture
>Fatleaf goes to find another way<
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Sigh, true.Commander McLane wrote:Parenthesis don't work in wiki-tags.maik wrote:the [wiki]Dynamic Ship List (Oolite)[/wiki] … [wiki]Adder_(Oolite)[/wiki] … [wiki]Adder (Oolite)[/wiki]
- Smivs
- Retired Assassin
- Posts: 8408
- Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
- Location: Lost in space
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
My solution - stub pagesmaik wrote:I happy to hear suggestions
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Boa_II_Clipper_Class
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Python_Clipper_Class
They just link back to the OXP's page, so are zero maintenance, but get the ships in the ship list.
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.
- maik
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 2028
- Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm
- Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia (mainly industrial, feudal, TL12)
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Yes they do, but also need the Infobox which is currently on the main page. How about keeping all the prose on the main page and moving the info boxes to the stub pages? Does that make sense?Smivs wrote:My solution - stub pagesmaik wrote:I happy to hear suggestions
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Boa_II_Clipper_Class
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Python_Clipper_Class
They just link back to the OXP's page, so are zero maintenance, but get the ships in the ship list.
- Smivs
- Retired Assassin
- Posts: 8408
- Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
- Location: Lost in space
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Not really, to be honest. To me it seems sensible to have all the information about the OXP on the OXP's page. It is clearly desirable that the ships feature in the ship list and I've achieved that with the stub pages.maik wrote:How about keeping all the prose on the main page and moving the info boxes to the stub pages? Does that make sense?
If the info boxes go on the stub pages it would then make sense to include all the details of the ships in them for completeness, but then we're getting into redundancy and duplication as I insist that the OXP's page has all relevent information about the OXP on it. The 'stub page' material would therefore be a duplicate of what is already on the OXP's own page.
Any change to one of my OXPs already involves a great deal of work and effort. Updates are needed to the readme, the entry on Smivsonline, the OXP table and the OXP's wiki page. I really don't need to add to that 'burden'.
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.
- Rese249er
- ---- E L I T E ----
- Posts: 647
- Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:19 pm
- Location: Well, I WAS in G3...
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
REDIRECTS.
Got all turned around, lost my nav connection... Where am I now?
- Smivs
- Retired Assassin
- Posts: 8408
- Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
- Location: Lost in space
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
No need to shout...we heard you the first time
The Boa Clipper page already existed as that was the first 'incarnation' of this OXP, and in fact was a redirect to the Clippers page before we started this debate.
If redirects are a better solution, that would be fine by me. Would a redirect allow the ships to appear in the ship list?
Maik?
The Boa Clipper page already existed as that was the first 'incarnation' of this OXP, and in fact was a redirect to the Clippers page before we started this debate.
If redirects are a better solution, that would be fine by me. Would a redirect allow the ships to appear in the ship list?
Maik?
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.
- Rese249er
- ---- E L I T E ----
- Posts: 647
- Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:19 pm
- Location: Well, I WAS in G3...
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
Sorry. If it was heard, it did not seem to be considered or adressed.
Got all turned around, lost my nav connection... Where am I now?
- Smivs
- Retired Assassin
- Posts: 8408
- Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
- Location: Lost in space
- Contact:
Re: The Alphabetical Ship List
I guess we did seem to ignore you - apologies for that, I did not mean to seem rude.Rese249er wrote:Sorry. If it was heard, it did not seem to be considered or adressed.
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.