Keyboard Sensitivity

opticyclic · Post by **opticyclic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:33 pm

When I sneak up on someone from behind (~1km) I find that 1 touch of the up arrow on the keyboard moves the cross hairs about 1/3 of the screen and I can subsequently never target properly.

Is there something wrong with my setup or is this by design when you fly this close?

I am running 1.65 on Ubuntu Linux and I am flying a Cobra Mk1

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:04 pm

This is because keyboards are no good for games of this nature. Use the mouse. :-)

Lucidor · Post by **Lucidor** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:35 pm

It would be nice to have a modifier key (alt?) that you could press down to halve the sensitivity when doing precision aiming.

Lanx · Post by **Lanx** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:01 am

I second that. Since I am playing this game with my keyboard since the good old C64, it is very cumbersome to adjust to a new way of steering the ship.

opticyclic · Post by **opticyclic** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:05 am

errrmm
How do I set up my mouse as controller?

Only info I could find on controls was here
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite ... d_Controls

Post by **winston** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:09 am

In full screen, press Shift-M and it'll say "Mouse control ON"

Imagine the mouse to be the top of a joystick. Mouse control is very precise (the most precise control method in Oolite).

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:38 am

It’s useful to know that right-click recenters, too.

Ponder · Post by **Ponder** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:40 pm

Can you toggle mouse control in windowed mode?

When I toggle to full screen and back to windowed, the new window is the size of full screen (1280x1024) not the 1024x768 I prefer it to run at.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:42 pm

Ponder wrote:
Can you toggle mouse control in windowed mode?

No. It only works in full-screen mode.

Post by **winston** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:36 pm

Ahruman wrote:
It’s useful to know that right-click recenters, too.

Erm, it doesn't on SDL builds...

But that is fixed now (in r428) and will appear in tonight's nightly build.

Commander Gralen · Post by **Commander Gralen** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:15 pm

Iv'e tried this "mouse control" and i don't really like it. a nifty idea, but i can't use it. I even tried with an old joystick form years ago wich got recognised as a mouse

That didn't work.

So untill i get a proper joystick,

I'll triple the Alt-button idea.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:30 am

winston wrote:
Ahruman wrote:
It’s useful to know that right-click recenters, too.
Erm, it doesn't on SDL builds...

It doesn’t?

winston wrote:
But that is fixed now (in r428) and will appear in tonight's nightly build.

Ahh. That should bring more followers over to the One True Way.

Post by **winston** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:36 am

Ahruman wrote:
winston wrote:
Ahruman wrote:
It’s useful to know that right-click recenters, too.
Erm, it doesn't on SDL builds...
It doesn’t?

No - the right mouse button event wasn't even being handled by anything. The fix wasn't as trivial as I had hoped either - so that Oolite's cursor appears under the real mouse pointer in the GUI screens, the game under SDL was using the absolute mouse pointer position to position the cursor. This meant with the trivial fix (re-set the virtual stick to 0,0 when the right button was pressed) as soon as you moved the mouse, the virtual joystick would snap back to its old position which can be fatally annoying. Therefore, in flight mode the mouse input style is changed to relative motion only. It's not a big thing but what was supposed to be a five second fix with one line of code turned out to be more like 10 lines of code

I must admit I like the precision of mouse mode, but I prefer my joystick's easily reachable 10 buttons better!

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:55 am

Hey, I’ve got over 100 easily-reachable buttons under my other hand.

Mind you, since I’ve learned to fly precisely with a gamepad under FS2_Open (because its mouse support sucks), I might’ve gone over to that for Oolite if the Mac HID branch hadn’t stalled. Who was doing that again? Oh yeah. ;-) (Then again, I’d have to relearn because of the lack of yaw control…)

Cyberian Tiger · Post by **Cyberian Tiger** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:24 pm

Back to the original problem.

If you have a low framerate for some reason the keyboard becomes very insensitive, this is because the keyboard events are only polled between frames.

I've had this when I managed to mess up my opengl setup, it was almost impossible to dock using the keyboard.

I'm still a keyboard user, I haven't learnt the one true way yet (tm).

Reminds me of when we played doom 2 at university, using the mouse was 'the one true way'. It was bourne out by the fact that the best player in college used keys, and nearly everyone who learnt or switched to the mouse started beating him. He never learnt the mouse to my knowledge, and was never the best player in college again, or even close to that dubious title

(If anyone can remember back to when fps were played with the keyboard predominantly).