Fugitive pallas ships; rock hermits

UK_Eliter · Post by **UK_Eliter** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:53 pm

How about (just two suggestions): (1) having fewer fugitive pallases leaving stations (it gets a bit repetitive and unlikely); (2) having pirate bases using the fab new rock hermit models (the latter being, I think, an artefact of recent 'trunk' builds)? Apropos 2: at present, one can tell rather easily, and even without a bounty scanner, which are 'good' rock hermits and which are bad ones.

PS: also, I'll repeat my previous request to have speed set to zero after a witchspace jump. That's a good idea, no?

Post by **Kaks** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:42 am

I'm confused!

- Pallases are not part of the core game, and indeed seem to have disappeared as a separate oxp. I'm actually in the process of cleaning up the original Pallas oxp ( from Charlie ) to bring them up to date for the upcoming 1.74 version of Oolite. Have you got Realistic Shipyards, or OE installed? They might well be coming from there!

- 'Pirate rock hermits'? Not sure what you mean, there's only one type of rock hermit in Oolite itself. This sounds a lot like a RS/OE thing too.

The first step is really to find out exactly which oxp is doing what, then you can either ask the oxp makers to make changes to their own oxps, or maybe dive straight in, and see if you can tweak things more to your liking!

About speed to zero after a witchspace jump: just my opinon, but it's going to be a bit unlikely. It would make you a bit too much of a sitting duck in case you end up somewhere with enemies waiting just for you (like in some anarchy systems, or when you have a witchspace malfunction).

Post by **Cmdr James** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:56 am

pirate rock hermits are "Pirate Coves"

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Pirate_Coves_OXP

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:28 pm

It's possible the "fab new rock hermit models" are the "ring" type that ADCK introduced in either his Bulk Haulers or Behemoths OXPs. ~~I can't remember which OXP they came from.~~

EDIT: it's from his Behemoths OXP.

UK_Eliter · Post by **UK_Eliter** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:16 pm

The Pallas is from an oxp I have and which I appear to have tinkered with - for it is called 'Pallas (fixed).oxp'. I will try to change the frequency of appearance myself. I really should have thought of that. I need to think more before I post!

As to speed: but setting it to zero would make it less likely that you crash into e.g. and esp. a buoy having just witch-jumped.

As to the coves: yes, we could ask ADCK to extend his new hermit design to the pirate coves.

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:46 pm

UK_Eliter wrote:
As to the coves: yes, we could ask ADCK to extend his new hermit design to the pirate coves.

Shouldn't need to do that. If you have Behemoths and Pirate Coves installed together then Coves should use the new design (as well as the old design).

Post by **Kaks** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:07 pm

About colliding with buoys, it should be extremely difficult to do so in 1.74, but not impossible, just to keep you on your toes...

AFAIK, the ad buoys from YAH are the biggest risk to navigation in any case.
The really good news is that - if you really want to - you can add a tiny bit of code to YAH to actually move those billboards further away from the witchspace exit point.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:16 pm

Yeah, putting big immobile blobs right in the designated witchspace exit zone strikes me as less of a marketing strategy and more of an area denial weapon.

Post by **Disembodied** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:40 pm

Ahruman wrote:
Yeah, putting big immobile blobs right in the designated witchspace exit zone strikes me as less of a marketing strategy and more of an area denial weapon.

If I'm completely honest, I think we maybe misunderstood the whole concept of "impact marketing": but we'd all had a lot of coffee and it was late on a Friday afternoon, so ...

BlackKnight · Post by **BlackKnight** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:25 pm

Disembodied wrote:
Ahruman wrote:
Yeah, putting big immobile blobs right in the designated witchspace exit zone strikes me as less of a marketing strategy and more of an area denial weapon.
If I'm completely honest, I think we maybe misunderstood the whole concept of "impact marketing": but we'd all had a lot of coffee and it was late on a Friday afternoon, so ...

"Witchpoint Marketing - More BANG!(*) For Your Buck"

(*)But possibly fewer repeat customers