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Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:16 am
by m4r35n357
Here's a good one (I think):

I have had two occasions where I needed to edit shipdata.plist in ship OXPs because they did not explicitly set cloak_passive to true. Would it not be more manly(sic) to default it to true?

Even those losers at Star Trek don't fire when cloaked ;)

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:25 am
by another_commander
Defaulting it to true may be more appropriate for separating the men from the boys, but the intention is to simulate the behaviour of the device the way it was in the original Elite by default.

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:56 am
by Commander McLane
m4r35n357 wrote:
Would it not be more manly(sic) to default it to true?
You could make a suggestion for Oolite 2, which is going to be a major deviation from the old Elite heritage anyway.

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:14 am
by m4r35n357
I think any OXP ship with a recharge rate of > ~4.5 and a NEU can essentially fly around cloaked all the time, even whilst shooting. Of course it's the player's choice at the end of the day, and I don't worry about it enough to want to limit that choice. I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed or cared about this, and don't remember seeing it discussed anywhere before. [Update]Then I actually went and looked and found this:

https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f= ... ve#p119437

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:29 pm
by CommonSenseOTB
As kind of an elite purest I myself don't even use or have the cloaking device. I view it as a TRUE cheat. The npc's don't have it so why should the player?

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:33 pm
by Svengali
CommonSenseOTB wrote:
The npc's don't have it so why should the player?
But they have it already (at least some OXP NPCs) .-)

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:37 pm
by CommonSenseOTB
Do you use the cloaking device? Just curious....

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:43 pm
by Svengali
CommonSenseOTB wrote:
Do you use the cloaking device? Just curious....
While playing Oolite? No.
But while testing mechanisms I'm working on - yes - but then with a script has keeps it online forever.

I know that some players are using it against missiles - it's one of the reasons for the fun missiles in Vector .-)

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:58 pm
by Smivs
I have one, but only really use it as an anti-missile feature.
I reckon most NPCs don't have one because they haven't got up off their butts to go to G5 and risk life and limb to win one. :wink:

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:24 pm
by RyanHoots
Smivs wrote:
I have one, but only really use it as an anti-missile feature.
I reckon most NPCs don't have one because they haven't got up off their butts to go to G5 and risk life and limb to win one. :wink:
How do you get one? I am very interested, as a bounty hunter. I am willing to blast my through an army of Thargoids to get a cloaking device. I am currently Competent (519).

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:31 pm
by Smivs
RyanHoots wrote:
Smivs wrote:
I have one, but only really use it as an anti-missile feature.
I reckon most NPCs don't have one because they haven't got up off their butts to go to G5 and risk life and limb to win one. :wink:
How do you get one? I am very interested, as a bounty hunter. I am willing to blast my through an army of Thargoids to get a cloaking device. I am currently Competent (519).
The clue is in the quote :wink:

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:58 pm
by RyanHoots
Smivs wrote:
RyanHoots wrote:
Smivs wrote:
I have one, but only really use it as an anti-missile feature.
I reckon most NPCs don't have one because they haven't got up off their butts to go to G5 and risk life and limb to win one. :wink:
How do you get one? I am very interested, as a bounty hunter. I am willing to blast my through an army of Thargoids to get a cloaking device. I am currently Competent (519).
The clue is in the quote :wink:
Got the device, I had to read the spoiler alert on the wiki. Worth it. The viper never saw it coming, and I'm still clean because they still don't know it's me! 8)

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:00 pm
by Smivs
Won't see you around, then! :D

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:21 pm
by RyanHoots
But I'll see you... :)

Re: Why is cloak_passive false by default?

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:04 pm
by Smivs
<Smivs engages cloak.........>