Federation Star Ships

Jagen Ordo · Post by **Jagen Ordo** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:24 pm

Always wanted to do that.
And here's the WIP for my first Starship, a Constitution refit:

My only problem is, that it currently has 232 polygons. As far as I know it, that's too much.

And can anybody tell me how to convert .obj to .dat in Windows?

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:33 pm

That should be fine, afaik...

If it helps, define the saucer, engineering hull and nacelles as separate entities and join them together in the script!

Jagen Ordo · Post by **Jagen Ordo** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:59 pm

That'd work.
If I knew, how I do that.
I had two semesters Java, but my knowledge is only half a semester.
To mis-quote HK-47, "Opinion: You could fit my capacity for Java in a matchbox, without taking out the matches first."

Rustybolts · Post by **Rustybolts** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:09 pm

Looks good

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:12 pm

That looks great!
Oolite's model limits are 500 vertices, 800 faces and 8 materials - note that all faces have to be tri's, if you've
got any quads or n-gons the script will triangulate them itself, you've just got to be sure that this doesn't push you over the poly limit.

There's some tips for converting obj's to the dat model format that Oolite likes here:
https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.ph ... c&start=15

you'll need to install the python language, a version that's not too recent (v2.6 is a good one to go for) and the scripts from here
https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=842

Off topic: Woo! my first 64-bits post! do i sound 32-bits more brainy to you all?

Jagen Ordo · Post by **Jagen Ordo** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:30 pm

Found the converter, all right.

Wait, 500 vertices and 800 faces?
Mine has 282 vertices and 232 faces.
And what are tri's, quads, and n-gons?

All that babble aside, I'll just try if this version works. If not, I'll have to learn this entity script stuff.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:40 pm

Sorry, that did sound confusing - i read a lot of GCTalkforums and it's all 'post wires pls! ur n-gons need retopologising m8' over there, i forget it sounds really weird

tri's are polygons that connect 3 verticies, quads connect 4 verticies and n-gons are any polygon that connects >4 verticies.

if say your model is made up of 16 quad polygons, when you run the script, it will convert all the quad polygons into 2 triangles, so your final poly count will go up to 32, your model is going to be fine, at most it will convert to 464 triangles - well below the 800 limit, the number of verticies and materials will stay the same

Jagen Ordo · Post by **Jagen Ordo** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:28 pm

Just ran a test.
I have sixteen faces too much.
Now, I still have a bridge module I won't really need, so that's to go.
And then the model should work just fine.
I only have no idea how to make a decent texture. Have never been able to do so.
But I think I'll give it a blueish grey tone, with name and registry number, deflector and warp coils.

Tivva · Post by **Tivva** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:35 pm

Griff's yer man- the previous poster. Talk to him about textures & shaders
He's the king

where's that "were not worthy smilie???"

Jagen Ordo · Post by **Jagen Ordo** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:50 pm

Well, it's not the techniques that I'm having trouble with.
It's just this creative use of paint that eludes me.
If someone wants to volunteer, I can always use a helping hand with that.
Asuming I get the model working.
But beware, this one is huge.
350 meters, as I can't remember the original length. But it's somewhere on this scale.
And of course, following Federation Starships will use the same scale.
Oh, and I'm taking orders.
What ships do you wish to see in Oolite?

Lestradae · Post by **Lestradae** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:04 pm

Jagen Ordo wrote:
Oh, and I'm taking orders.
What ships do you wish to see in Oolite?

Klingon Bird of Prey, Romulan Warbird, Star Destroyer, Death Star

Oh yes, and a few new Thargoid carriers with turrets & multiple laser batteries that can really beat the sh*t out of the Navy's new shiny toys.

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:46 am

Lestradae wrote:
Klingon Bird of Prey, Romulan Warbird, Star Destroyer, Death Star

Oh yes, and a few new Thargoid carriers with turrets & multiple laser batteries that can really beat the sh*t out of the Navy's new shiny toys.

Don't want much, do you? Why not ask for the moon on a stick too!!!

Miranda class, please! Maybe an Oberth class too... I have models for both, but they're a bit complicated.

That reminds me - I have a simple model of the USS Kelvin from the new film - that might make a nice Oolite model!

Regarding subentities, that's nothing to do with java. It's when you join one model onto another (parent) model and make a bigger model out of all these parts. It lets you split a complex model into lots of smaller ones and join them up. If you download my Imperial Courier OXP the nacelles are subentities and should show you how to do it.

Selezen · Post by **Selezen** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:46 am

Lestradae wrote:
Klingon Bird of Prey, Romulan Warbird, Star Destroyer, Death Star

Oh yes, and a few new Thargoid carriers with turrets & multiple laser batteries that can really beat the sh*t out of the Navy's new shiny toys.

Don't want much, do you? Why not ask for the moon on a stick too!!!

Miranda class, please! Maybe an Oberth class too... I have models for both, but they're a bit complicated.

That reminds me - I have a simple model of the USS Kelvin from the new film - that might make a nice Oolite model!

Regarding subentities, that's nothing to do with java. It's when you join one model onto another (parent) model and make a bigger model out of all these parts. It lets you split a complex model into lots of smaller ones and join them up. If you download my Imperial Courier OXP the nacelles are subentities and should show you how to do it.

Post by **Cmdr James** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:54 am

Not only that, but the Java isnt java at all its javascript, which is completely different.

Website · Post by **DaddyHoggy** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:39 am

Jagen Ordo wrote:
Well, it's not the techniques that I'm having trouble with.
It's just this creative use of paint that eludes me.
If someone wants to volunteer, I can always use a helping hand with that.
Asuming I get the model working.
But beware, this one is huge.
350 meters, as I can't remember the original length. But it's somewhere on this scale.
And of course, following Federation Starships will use the same scale.
Oh, and I'm taking orders.
What ships do you wish to see in Oolite?

If you're taking orders - a "Runabout" or the Defiant - both which I think wouldn't look too out of place in the Ooniverse (especially given the work done of the classic shapes by Simon B - in fact he'd be your man for texturing if Griff has his hand's full)

Then you could keep going until you create a whole new station that bares are remarkable resemblance to DS9...

Welcome back, btw (I did PM - thinking you were "new")

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