Oolite Bulletins

This is just an idea, Im not sure it is good.

move PlayerEntity calculateCurrentCargo into ShipEntity and change it to return current_cargo

change ShipEntity scoopUp line 6316 from to
I think this will sort out some weird behavour that I have seen, such as getting a hold full if my cobra has 34t and I scoop 10kg of gold.

Also, I think it is possible to construct in an oxp, a cargo canister with, say 2t of commodity in. If you scoop that, we will go past max_cargo, and I think some seriously weird things may happen. I guess that we should issue a holds full if cargo == max_cargo, and if it is greater, to immediately dump whatever we just scooped, so that we never go above max.

This could be a start down the road to fixing bug 12373 maybe change PlayerEntityLegacyScriptEngine useSpecialCargo to fill the hold with cargo type="special" or something like that, a non tradable commodity?

Cmdr James wrote:

I think this will sort out some weird behavour that I have seen, such as getting a hold full if my cobra has 34t and I scoop 10kg of gold.

I'm not sure this is officially weird: as far as I understand it, all scooped cargo is treated as being 1 ton, regardless of the actual weight, because it's all going straight through to the cargo bay. It's only when you dock that you can have a chance to repack, and take the kilos and grams of precious metals and gems out of the cargo bay and into the safe in the cockpit.

Yeah, thats true. It is 35 cargo containers, each of which can hold up to 1t isnt it

I thought I had had different behaviour if the gold was scooped in a position other than last, but I think from looking at the code that each scooping takes a storage space even if it is less than one t.

Yes. And that's because in Oolite "tonnes" are not actually "tonnes", but rather "tuns". They don't refer to one metric ton of weight, but to the size of the cargo cannister (which are, if you look at their length, width and height, far bigger than to hold just one metric ton).

And the gold, platinum or gemstones you are scooping come in exactly the same cargo cannister as any other commodity. That means the cannister takes exactly as much space in your cargo bay than any other cannister: 1t, although it contains actually far less weight (some kilos or grams only).

If you buy gold, platinum or gemstones on a station you put it into the safe in your cockpit directly, without using your cargo bay at all. Therefore the kilos or grams of precious commodities don't prevent you to fill your cargo hold with exactly 35t of other stuff.

And, as Disembodied correctly wrote, as soon as you land you get the chance to repack your cargo bay, putting the gold in the safe and get rid of the monstrous containers it was stored in, thereby regaining the space in your cargo bay.

so should you get a small amount for selling the excess cargo containers? Sort of like those places that pay a pound for old wooden pallets.

Thinking about it why is the gold in a container in the first place - shouldn't it be in the safe that got blown loose (assuming the pilot didn't take it with them in the escape capsule) when the ship was destroyed?

Then it would still take a whole space in the cargo bay but you could repack whilst docked.

Hoopy wrote:

Thinking about it why is the gold in a container in the first place - shouldn't it be in the safe that got blown loose (assuming the pilot didn't take it with them in the escape capsule) when the ship was destroyed?

Then it would still take a whole space in the cargo bay but you could repack whilst docked.

Well, as I (and Disembodied earlier) wrote: You do repack whilst docked. Oh, and the resell-value of the containers is of course already reflected in the price calculation (shameless lie, but how would you prove otherwise? ).

And if you install cargo_wreck_teaser.oxp, you get a variety of new containers, among them a special one for valuable items. I think that's as close as we can get to the ship's safe floating in space.

good answer

I tried the cargo wreck teaser a while ago and didn't notice any real difference. Are the changes a bit subtle or was i just not looking properly?

The old version had some bugs, but the new one on the Wiki OXP page seems fine. The old types of cargo canisters are still present, but there are about 8 new types as well. Try lasering up a large frieghter and you should see some of the new cargo containers spilling out! It also renames some commodies, eg instead of just "Furs 1t" you may get "Remarkable Laveian Grub Hides" etc.

oh wow - i definitely didn't see anything like that. I'll go download it now

Hope you'll enjoy the show.

PM me if there are any obvious bugs.

i was just readign something else which said cargo wrecks had a bug with AddShips instead of addShips. I changed that but it still didn't work. I guess i need to download the newer version?

aha! that works!
Sent a PM with a little bug as well

Latest version is v1.3.1

I just tested it in 1.69.1 and the [%I] works perfectly.
Possibly the way text is expanded in 1.7 is the culprit.
I was correct about the missilepod: I left that for a next version.

i'll have to redownload this one then. ^^