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Stumbled across this page in the wiki: Oolite Carriers

What are they? What is a carrier?

Is it just a ship which can carry other ships? Like the Behemoth & Deep Space Dredger? Or Thargoid Carrier (but why not Thargoids with their 5 thargons?)

But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?

And what about other ships? Do the dockable liners count? Emerald & TigerShark? But what about Saga? ...and what about Orisis?

Or the large Aquatics? HammerHead Hauler Carrier? Conger with rotating thingummies? Leviathan Systems Platform?

And what about the Imperial Star Destroyer?

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:41 pm

What are they? What is a carrier?

Seems the definition can be applied to most any ship with a docking bay. There ought to be some martial application I feel.
I know I intended the Leviathan to be one. But not the hOopy Casino.

I think every ship with a docking bay could be called a carrier. Some designs for large ships just use the space for additional cargo/passenger areas, and therefore got no dock. Thargons are like drones, so no hangar required.

But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 am

But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?

Well, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.

montana05 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:05 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 am

But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?

Well, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.

A better reason for classifying bulk haulers with carriers is they all have the same problem -- they cannot fit through a standard main station docking port...and thus cannot dock with most stations.

Switeck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:04 am

montana05 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:05 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 am

But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?

Well, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.

A better reason for classifying bulk haulers with carriers is they all have the same problem -- they cannot fit through a standard main station docking port...and thus cannot dock with most stations.

True, but bulk haulers do have docks and therefore could "carry" ships.

montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:16 am

Switeck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:04 am

montana05 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:05 am

Well, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.

A better reason for classifying bulk haulers with carriers is they all have the same problem -- they cannot fit through a standard main station docking port...and thus cannot dock with most stations.

True, but bulk haulers do have docks and therefore could "carry" ships.

But do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:35 am

But do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?

ADCK's bulk hauler and super bulk hauler have, not sure if all of them. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Hammerhead to my believing is not classified as dockable.

montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:40 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:35 am

But do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?

ADCK's bulk hauler and super bulk hauler have, not sure if all of them. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Hammerhead to my believing is not classified as dockable.

"Dockable": the page was constructed by ADCK (possibly to advertise his ships?) in 2010 and has not been touched since. I do not know his definition, I now know yours and Switeck's. I'm hoping that one or two others might chip in too and then I might be able to make some sensible decisions as to what to do with the page.

Your definition fits in with the way I feel (but I don't know), but Switeck's seems to accord more with ADCK's.

Reference: Hammerhead "carrier":

cbr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:50 pm

I remember talk of an even bigger carrier/trader hammerhead >3km
This one is twice as long as the regular one and double amount of engines.

...

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:52 am

Reference: Hammerhead "carrier":

Hammerhead is a cargo carrier, but I just checked the shipdata.plist, no dock.

montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:41 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:52 am

Reference: Hammerhead "carrier":

Hammerhead is a cargo carrier, but I just checked the shipdata.plist, no dock.

I suspected as much, hence my reference.

But do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.

If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.

Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pm

But do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.

If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.

Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012

Yes, all variants of ADCK's Bulk Haulers and Super Bulk Haulers have docks. I just made a note to myself that this package needs conversation and an overhaul before I can add it to the expansion manager.

montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:57 pm

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pm

But do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.

If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.

Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012

Yes, all variants of ADCK's Bulk Haulers and Super Bulk Haulers have docks. I just made a note to myself that this package needs conversation and an overhaul before I can add it to the expansion manager.

Right. So we go with your definition then, unless there is a good argument against.

So with liners, docks are implied for Aurora, Saga & Orisis, despite presumably being absent from the shipdata.plist

So does one include them, as they are described as such, despite not being such in "game terms"? What do you think?