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About Oolite Trading

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:43 pm
by erickcosta
Translated by google translator. I apologize for my bad English. My question: is there any situation where selling furs / computers is less profitable than selling wines / machinery (luxuries)?

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 pm
by dybal
erickcosta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:43 pm
Translated by google translator. I apologize for my bad English. My question: is there any situation where selling furs / computers is less profitable than selling wines / machinery (luxuries)?
It might be if you have large cargo space and the market limit (quantity for sale/purchase) for liquor/machinery if higher than for furs/computers.

When I was trading with a 90t cargo space (45t cargo bay + HyperCargo) I had to complement with liquor/machinery to get a full load, since no station had enough fur/computers to fill it.

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:28 pm
by erickcosta
so on board a Cobra it makes no sense to trade other goods.

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:03 pm
by erickcosta
I made changes to Trade-Good.plist.

* Each type of economy now had better import / export
* I increased (x2) the price of Minerals.
* Minerals are illegal.
* I halved the number of Computers / Furs available at the station

obs: translate for Google Translate

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:04 pm
by erickcosta

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{
/* Strictly, commodity names should be prefixed oolite-, but for
 * compatibility with older OXPs, keep the older names. OXP
 * commodities should be prefixed as usual. */
	"food" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name food]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-edible","oolite-farming");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;  // 0=t
		"peak_export" = 7; // Poor Ag
		"peak_import" = 0; // Rich Ind
		"price_average" = 50; // decicredits
		// fraction of average ~= 2.75 credits
		"price_economic" = 0.55;
		// fraction of average ~= 0.2 credits
		"price_random" = 0.04;
		"quantity_average" = 13.5; // gets rounded
		"quantity_economic" = 0.52;
		"quantity_random" = 0.04;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 1.0;
		"sort_order" = 100;
	};

	"textiles" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name textiles]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-wearable","oolite-farming");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;  
		"peak_export" = 7; 
		"peak_import" = 0; 
		"price_average" = 71;
		"price_economic" = 0.18;
		"price_random" = 0.09;
		"quantity_average" = 15; 
		"quantity_economic" = 0.23;
		"quantity_random" = 0.1;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0.25;		
		"sort_order" = 200;
	};

	"radioactives" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name radioactives]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-dangerous","oolite-mining");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 5;
		"peak_import" = 2;
		"price_average" = 231;
		"price_economic" = 0.19;
		"price_random" = 0.06;
		"quantity_average" = 16; 
		"quantity_economic" = 0.66;
		"quantity_random" = 0.09;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0.75;
		"sort_order" = 300;
	};

	"slaves" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name slaves]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-restricted","oolite-living","oolite-slaves","oolite-salvage");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 7;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 152;
		"price_economic" = 0.45;
		"price_random" = 0.40;
		"quantity_average" = 9.75; 
		"quantity_economic" = 1.10;
		"quantity_random" = 1.59;
		"legality_export" = 1;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0.01;
		"sort_order" = 400;
		"comment" = "[oolite-commodity-illegal]";
	};

	"liquor_wines" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name liquor_wines]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-edible","oolite-farming");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 6;
		"peak_import" = 1;
		"price_average" = 291;
		"price_economic" = 0.24;
		"price_random" = 0.05;
		"quantity_average" = 20; 
		"quantity_economic" = 0.88;
		"quantity_random" = 0.38;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0.95;
		"sort_order" = 500;
	};

	"luxuries" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name luxuries]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-luxury");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 1;
		"peak_import" = 5;
		"price_average" = 902;
		"price_economic" = 0.12;
		"price_random" = 0.01;
		"quantity_average" = 27.5; 
		"quantity_economic" = 1.02;
		"quantity_random" = 0.05;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 1.25;
		"sort_order" = 600;
	};

	"narcotics" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name narcotics]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-dangerous","oolite-restricted","oolite-medical");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 0;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 512;
		"price_economic" = 0;
		"price_random" = 1.0;
		"quantity_average" = 32; 
		"quantity_economic" = 0;
		"quantity_random" = 1.0;
		"legality_export" = 2;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 1.05;
		"sort_order" = 700;
		"comment" = "[oolite-commodity-illegal]";
	};

	"computers" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name computers]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-business","oolite-shipyard","oolite-technological");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 0;
		"peak_import" = 7;
		"price_average" = 818;
		"price_economic" = 0.24;
		"price_random" = 0.01;
		"quantity_average" = 4.5; 
		"quantity_economic" = 5.77;
		"quantity_random" = 0.17;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 800;
	};

	"machinery" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name machinery]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-business","oolite-technological","oolite-machinery");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 2;
		"peak_import" = 6;
		"price_average" = 560;
		"price_economic" = 0.14;
		"price_random" = 0.03;
		"quantity_average" = 22.5;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.93;
		"quantity_random" = 0.16;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 900;
	};

	"alloys" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name alloys]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-business","oolite-shipyard","oolite-metals","oolite-salvage");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 3;
		"peak_import" = 4;
		"price_average" = 388;
		"price_economic" = 0.03;
		"price_random" = 0.16;
		"quantity_average" = 29;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.12;
		"quantity_random" = 0.53;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1000;
	};

	"firearms" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name firearms]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-dangerous","oolite-restricted","oolite-military","oolite-weapons");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 0;
		"peak_import" = 7;
		"price_average" = 692;
		"price_economic" = 0.26;
		"price_random" = 0.02;
		"quantity_average" = 1;
		"quantity_economic" = 32.5;
		"quantity_random" = 3.5;
		"legality_export" = 1;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1100;
		"comment" = "[oolite-commodity-illegal]";
	};

	"furs" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name furs]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-consumer","oolite-farming","oolite-wearable","oolite-animalproduct");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 7;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 704;
		"price_economic" = 0.18;
		"price_random" = 0.18;
		"quantity_average" = 4.5;
		"quantity_economic" = 1.15;
		"quantity_random" = 1.15;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0.15;
		"sort_order" = 1200;
	};

	"minerals" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name minerals]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-mining","oolite-business","oolite-rawmaterial");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 5;
		"peak_import" = 3;
		"price_average" = 300;
		"price_economic" = 0.11;
		"price_random" = 0.05;
		"quantity_average" = 58;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.06;
		"quantity_random" = 0.03;
		"legality_export" = 1;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1300;
	};

	"gold" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name gold]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-mining","oolite-business","oolite-consumer","oolite-metals");
		"quantity_unit" = 1; // kg
		"peak_export" = 7;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 388;
		"price_economic" = 0.04;
		"price_random" = 0.05;
		"quantity_average" = 9;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.39;
		"quantity_random" = 0.39;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1400;
	};

	"platinum" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name platinum]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-mining","oolite-business","oolite-consumer","oolite-metals");
		"quantity_unit" = 1; // kg
		"peak_export" = 7;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 718;
		"price_economic" = 0.04;
		"price_random" = 0.09;
		"quantity_average" = 13.5;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.52;
		"quantity_random" = 1.15;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1500;
	};

	"gem_stones" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name gem_stones]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-mining","oolite-consumer");
		"quantity_unit" = 2; // g
		"peak_export" = 7;
		"peak_import" = 0;
		"price_average" = 196;
		"price_economic" = 0.07;
		"price_random" = 0.15;
		"quantity_average" = 6.75;
		"quantity_economic" = 0.26;
		"quantity_random" = 1.11;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1600;
	};

	"alien_items" = {
		"name" = "[commodity-name alien_items]";
		"classes" = ("oolite-alien","oolite-thargoid","oolite-military");
		"quantity_unit" = 0;
		"peak_export" = 0;
		"peak_import" = 7;
		"price_average" = 436;
		"price_economic" = 0.48;
		"price_random" = 0.03;
		"quantity_average" = 0;
		"quantity_economic" = 0;
		"quantity_random" = 0;
		"legality_export" = 0;
		"legality_import" = 0;
		"trumble_opinion" = 0;
		"sort_order" = 1700;
	};


}

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:06 pm
by erickcosta
I changed the properties of Minerals to make asteroid mining worthwhile

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:46 pm
by Milo
Ore Processor OXP offers a more nuanced approach to that.

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:49 pm
by erickcosta
Milo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:46 pm
Ore Processor OXP offers a more nuanced approach to that.
I know. But my main objective was to make trading other goods, other than computers / furs, more interesting.

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:22 am
by Disembodied
erickcosta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:49 pm
I know. But my main objective was to make trading other goods, other than computers / furs, more interesting.
That's a long-standing ambition for a lot of people here! Probably the best attempt is Cim's [EliteWiki] New Cargoes OXP. Even in the basic game, though, there are locations where the returns on Liquor & Wines can be as good as, or better than, Furs - asteroid mining is thirsty work …

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:24 am
by ffutures
Booze is reliably much more profitable than furs, 150% profit if you buy at 20 and sell at 35, the maximum for furs is somewhere around 90% profit and there aren't nearly as many markets at that price. You have to move a lot more booze, of course, but 5 tons cost as much as 2 tons of furs and make a better profit in any reasonably high-tech port, so if you have a big ship it's a better investment.

Re: About Oolite Trading

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:34 pm
by dybal
ffutures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:24 am
Booze is reliably much more profitable than furs, 150% profit if you buy at 20 and sell at 35, the maximum for furs is somewhere around 90% profit and there aren't nearly as many markets at that price. You have to move a lot more booze, of course, but 5 tons cost as much as 2 tons of furs and make a better profit in any reasonably high-tech port, so if you have a big ship it's a better investment.
That's true if your limiting factor is capital, then a low-cost/ton high-return/credit commodity like food is ideal.

But as soon as you have enough cash to fill your hold, the space becomes the limiting factor, and then high-return/ton becomes more interesting: you make more on 10t of Fur at 50% profit (buy at 60, sell at 90, get 300 for the load) than for Food at 200% profit (buy at 2, sell at 6, get 40 for the load).

But if your cargo space is really big, and you have enough capital, you can't fill it with a single high-return/ton commodity, or even a pair of them, you will not use all your carrying capacity for milk-runs, so you might diversify strategies, and then having some Booze to sell for the RockRats you meet, and Food for the salvagers in DSDs, etc., in your spare space is worthwhile.

EDIT: just to say that I didn't personally experience the third stage (really large cargo space + enough capital), since I changed from trading to salvaging before buying a big trader - but I started to get hints of it with a DTT Planet Express with Large Cargo Bay and HyperCargo... I had a 82t cargo space (some space was used by equipment, like an Auxiliary Generator) and already had to diversify to fill it.
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