Like an idiot I decided to do the Trumble thing and get it over with. And I seem to have ended up with a completely unkillable Trumble. I've tried the usual decontamination method seven or eight times now, every time the ship is destroyed while the Trumble doesn't even seem unhappy.
I don't like to cheat, but this is SERIOUSLY annoying. Can someone please remind me how to get rid of the thing by editing the saved game.
Unkillable Trumble
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Cody
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
<chortles> Ahh... the cute little critter obviously likes you!
I would advise stilts for the quagmires, and camels for the snowy hills
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
first you need to get some BBQ sauce........
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OR i could go with
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OR i could go with
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or simply
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
Normally you would not be able to get rid of it by editing the savefile, because there is a set of cheat countermeasures in place, but luckily for cheaters, there also seems to be a bug there. So, if you open the savefile, you will find something like this somewhere:ffutures wrote:Can someone please remind me how to get rid of the thing by editing the saved game.
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<key>trumbles</key>
<array>
<integer>1</integer>
<integer>1722</integer>
<array>
[...]
</array>
</array>I have already a fix in place and it will be going into the next nightly, so the life expectancy of the above cheat is counted in hours at this point.
Edit: For those determined to cheat, there will be still a way left to trick the game, but it will involve editing of both savefile and .GNUstepDefaults.
Re: Unkillable Trumble
Is there a bug with the little pets? I never had any trouble toasting them.
Since it is a while that I started my last new Jameson... Wasn't there some Equipment that you need to prevent your ship to be toasted before the tumbles start to die?
Since it is a while that I started my last new Jameson... Wasn't there some Equipment that you need to prevent your ship to be toasted before the tumbles start to die?
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
I kinda think Trumbles should be disabled after the player attains a certain level.
They're possibly useful early on, even fun, perhaps... but simply a PITA later!
They're possibly useful early on, even fun, perhaps... but simply a PITA later!
I would advise stilts for the quagmires, and camels for the snowy hills
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
That worked - many thanks!
If it's of any interest, here's what I cut - any idea why it was so hard to kill?
If it's of any interest, here's what I cut - any idea why it was so hard to kill?
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
I am betting on lack of heat shielding. Maybe you could try contaminating a Cobra MkIII and see if it is any different?ffutures wrote:any idea why it was so hard to kill?
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
I've got heat shielding - need it for sun-dives and the Planetfall OXP - and it was in full working order. I scoop refuel fairly often.
Re: Unkillable Trumble
As far as the trumble's heat resistance goes, you just got unlucky. What you need to try to do is find the precise distance from the star at which your ship's temperature is stable and high but not critical - anything much over baseline can potentially kill them, but in practice probably won't. It's quite possible, if you have that many Trumbles to start with, that running the temperature up to critical from cold won't be sufficient to get them all.
Heat shielding is not necessary and may actually make things marginally harder - because it means the "stable cold" level occurs closer to the star, all of the "stable hot" bands get compressed. So long as you drop off torus when you get roughly to the right area, it shouldn't matter for the standard player heat shield equipment.
EDIT: will be fixed in tonight's build.
Heat shielding is not necessary and may actually make things marginally harder - because it means the "stable cold" level occurs closer to the star, all of the "stable hot" bands get compressed. So long as you drop off torus when you get roughly to the right area, it shouldn't matter for the standard player heat shield equipment.
Looking at the Trumble script code, they're supposed to stop being offered once the Nova mission starts - but due to a bug that's only true if the player can reach there without ever having been offered a Trumble (not impossible, but an interesting challenge and not something one would do accidentally...)Cody wrote:I kinda think Trumbles should be disabled after the player attains a certain level.
They're possibly useful early on, even fun, perhaps... but simply a PITA later!
EDIT: will be fixed in tonight's build.
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
An eminently sensible idea!cim wrote:Looking at the Trumble script code, they're supposed to stop being offered once the Nova mission starts...
I would advise stilts for the quagmires, and camels for the snowy hills
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
Re: Unkillable Trumble
What if...cooking trumbles cooked other cargo too, at some low percent chance.
Especially food and slaves...
Especially food and slaves...
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
Or passengers... 
"You wouldn't kill me just for a few credits, would you?" – "No, I'll do it just for the fun!"
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
iirc frontier "produced" fertilizer when transporting crucial forced labour staff for the empire (slave is such a nasty word) and forgetting a cargo bay life support.
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Re: Unkillable Trumble
<grins> As for what Frontier 'produces' now... no comment!Amah wrote:iirc frontier "produced" fertilizer...
I would advise stilts for the quagmires, and camels for the snowy hills
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!
And any survivors, their debts I will certainly pay. There's always a way!