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Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:07 pm
by The Griffin GT
Hi everyone, first off I'd like to say a big thank you to everyone involved in developing this brilliant game from my childhood and also those who create amazing oxps for it! :D

Unfortunately I have encountered a problem where Oolite stops responding everytime I go to a certain system.
I'm guessing that systems/planets are different for everyone else but everytime I exit hyperspace to Telale in G2 (a rich industrial, communist, TL 10 system) Oolite stops responding.
When I looked at the latest.log and previous.log and the last entries were: 15:23:19.883 [bigShips_populator]: 1 big trader(s) added to the Telale system. <--- Previous.log
17:39:16.669 [bigShips_populator]: 3 big trader(s) added to the Telale system. <---- Latest.log

I removed the BigShips1.02.oxp and I was able to enter Telale no problem.
I was wondering if the problem is with the oxp or wether I have made a mistake with other oxp's that use bigships.oxp or something.
I'm using 64bit Win7 sp1 and Oolite 1.77.1

Thanks in advance :D
Also this is my first time using a forum so apologies is I have broken any rules or posted this in the wrong place.

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:28 pm
by Cody
Welcome aboard, TGGT...
The Griffin GT wrote:
I'm guessing that systems/planets are different for everyone else
... unless I misunderstand you, every player has exactly the same planets in their game.

I'll leave your little problem for a boffin to try and answer, methinks.

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:57 pm
by Thargoid
I think you've correctly surmised what is happening. Bigships in itself is just a populator, but it will add the larger ships provided by certain other OXPs (Aquatics and Liners both contain such ships, for example).

Those ships, by the very nature of their size, tend to be more complex graphically and are a bit more challenging on your machine. So I think when you say your system is stops responding, it is having problems adding those ships. If you wait a little while you should (hopefully) find your system becomes responsive again and you can play.

If not then you could try setting the graphics to a lower detail level, and/or lowering (or disabling) the shaders. Or if not then you are probably better avoiding the big ships if they are stressing things too much. If you don't have Bigships installed, then they won't appear.

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:59 pm
by cim
Hello and welcome to the forums.

BigShips on its own shouldn't break anything since it mainly just provides tools for other OXPs, though taking it out might stop another OXP doing something wrong - but it's slightly odd that whatever happens only happens in Telale consistently and presumably nowhere else. Could you try keeping BigShips in and removing other OXPs to see if one of them is the real problem?

Could you also post a full Latest.log of a trip to Telale (to keep it short, load a save game which is next to Telale, then launch and hyperspace straight away) - use the "Code" button for formatting - as there might be some clues in there.

And as Thargoid says - what spec is your computer? Some OXPs do require a reasonably good computer by 2014 standards.

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:59 pm
by The Griffin GT
Thanks for your replies guys,
I *think* I have narrowed it down to it being the att1.oxp (armoured transport type 1) I have only recently installed it. Although the wiki dosen't say that it is dependant on bigships.oxp.
I retried the jump at least 20 times now, 10 with the att1.oxp and 10 with it removed, discounting jumps that did not populate any big traders. 3 times Oolite actually crashed instead of just hanging with it installed. Is this enough to say I've tested it properly?

The strange thing is that I actually saw the two ships in the att1.oxp earlier on today when I had launched from and was hanging around a coriolis station admiring the different ships as they went about their business. They looked great btw!
Possibly it was just coincidence that it always seemed to be Telale unless the ATT is more likely to spawn in that type of system (RI,TL10)?

Maybe my system just can't handle the ships or a combination of them and another oxp :( It's an intel 585 2.16GHz, 4GB of ram with a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family graphic potato unit. :roll:

Here is a log of the last crash if your still interested. :)

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Opening log for Oolite version 1.77.1 (x86-32) under Windows 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 64-bit at 2014-05-11 22:12:36 +0100.
1 processor detected.
Build options: spoken messages, mass/fuel pricing.

Note that the contents of the log file can be adjusted by editing logcontrol.plist.

22:12:36.545 [oxp.versionMismatch]: OXP ../AddOns/Basic-debug.oxp is incompatible with version 1.77.1 of Oolite.
22:12:37.451 [display.mode.list.native]: Windows native resolution detected: 1280 x 800
22:12:37.669 [joystick.init]: Number of joysticks detected: 1
22:12:37.676 [rendering.opengl.version]: OpenGL renderer version: 2.1.0 ("2.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2869"). Vendor: "Intel". Renderer: "Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family".
22:12:37.676 [rendering.opengl.extensions]: OpenGL extensions (82):
GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_draw_buffers2, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_transform_feedback, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1, GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex, GL_EXT_texture_swizzle, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_ARB_depth_buffer_float, GL_ARB_draw_instanced, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_WIN_swap_hint, GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ATI_separate_stencil, GL_EXT_packed_float, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_rg, GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_ARB_vertex_array_object, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_NV_blend_square
22:12:37.687 [rendering.opengl.shader.support]: Shaders are supported.
22:12:38.214 [searchPaths.dumpAll]: Unrestricted mode - resource paths:
    Resources
    ../AddOns
    ../AddOns/AI Trading Assistant 2.8.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/AI Trading Ethical Trader 2.8.oxp
    ../AddOns/AI Trading Fallback Datalogger 2.8.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Aquatics 2.30.oxp
    ../AddOns/att1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Auto Crosshairs 1.0.4.oxp
    ../AddOns/BetterScreens_v1.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/BGS-A1.9.oxp
    ../AddOns/BigShips 1.02.oxp
    ../AddOns/BountyScannerv2.0.oxp
    ../AddOns/buoyRepair1.3.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Cabal_Common_Library1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/Camera_Drones_1.3.oxp
    ../AddOns/Cargo Shepherd 1.01.oxp
    ../AddOns/clearskies.oxp
    ../AddOns/ClippersV1.3.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Cobra_Mk3-XT.oxp
    ../AddOns/Combat-HUDv2.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Combat_Simulator_1.0.oxp
    ../AddOns/Commanders Log 1.00.oxp
    ../AddOns/contractorMkII_v1.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/DeepspaceShip.oxp
    ../AddOns/Delightful-Docking.oxp
    ../AddOns/display_reputation1.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Dock_Assist_System1.3.oxp
    ../AddOns/Dredgers 2.3.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Flight Log 1.07.oxp
    ../AddOns/Fuel Tank v2.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Gallery.oxp
    ../AddOns/Griffs_NoShaders_Shipset1.0.oxp
    ../AddOns/griff_normalmapped_ship_decals.oxp
    ../AddOns/griff_python_alt_normalmapped.oxp
    ../AddOns/Hired Guns 1.26.oxp
    ../AddOns/hOopyCasino1.2.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Illegal_goods_tweak_1.5.oxp
    ../AddOns/In-System_Taxi_1.2.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/interstellar_help.oxp
    ../AddOns/Lave Academy 1.21.oxp
    ../AddOns/longway 1.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Misjump Analyser 1.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Naval Grid 1.00.oxp
    ../AddOns/neocaduceus.oxp
    ../AddOns/PlanetFall 1.51.oxp
    ../AddOns/Police_Scanner_Upgrade_1.3.1_2011-12-18.oxp
    ../AddOns/Q-Bomb_Detector_1.4.oxp
    ../AddOns/RandomHits1.7.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/randomshipnames1.4.oxp
    ../AddOns/Rock_Hermit_Locator1.3.3.oxp
    ../AddOns/Saleza v2.3.oxp
    ../AddOns/sell_equipment1.5.oxp
    ../AddOns/Ship_Storage_Helper_0.20_2012.06.24.oxp
    ../AddOns/SniperLockv1.oxp
    ../AddOns/Snoopers2.5.oxp
    ../AddOns/Stealth 1.05.oxp
    ../AddOns/Target Autolock Plus 1.12.oxp
    ../AddOns/Taxi Galactica.oxp
    ../AddOns/TCAT 1.11.oxp
    ../AddOns/technical_reference_library_1.0.1.oxp
    ../AddOns/terrapin.oxp
    ../AddOns/The_Feudal_States_v1.16.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Towbar_0.96.oxp
    ../AddOns/Tracker 1.02.oxp
    ../AddOns/Traffic Control 1.11.oxp
    ../AddOns/TrophyCollector_2.1.2.oxp
    ../AddOns/Vortex 1.30.oxp
    ../AddOns/Welcome Mat 1.13.oxp
    ../AddOns/WildShips 1.08.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_A_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_B_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_C_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_D_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_E_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_F_4.1.7.oxp
    ../AddOns/YOUR_AD_HERE_set_G_4.1.7.oxp
22:12:38.373 [shipData.load.begin]: Loading ship data.
22:12:39.843 [script.load.world.listAll]: Loaded 91 world scripts:
    AI Autotrade 2.8.1
    AI Buying Advisor 2.8.1
    AI Selling Advisor 2.8.1
    AI Trading Assistant 2.8.1
    AI Trading Compatibility 2.8.1
    AI Trading Ethical Trader 2.8
    AI Trading Fallback Datalogger 2.8.1
    AI Trading History 2.8.1
    AI Trading Tips 2.8.1
    aquatics_equipment 1.1
    aquatics_FX.js 1.00
    aquatics_populator 2.28
    Auto Crosshairs 1.0.4
    Better Screens 1.2
    BGS-M 1.9
    BGS-XMapping 1.9
    bigShips_populator 1.0.2
    Bounty Scanner 2.0 2.00
    buoyRepair 1.3.2
    Cabal_Common_Briefing 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Comms 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Functions 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Keyboard 1.7
    Cabal_Common_MissionHandling 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Music 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Overlay 1.7
    Cabal_Common_OXPStrength 1.7
    Cabal_Common_SpecialMarkets 1.7
    Caduceus Damage Control Node 2.0
    Camera Drones 1.3
    clipper_tanks_script.js 1.3.2
    Combat Simulator 1.0
    commandersLog 1.00
    deep_space_dredger 2.3.1
    display-reputation-contract 1.2
    display-reputation-parcel 1.2
    display-reputation-passenger 1.2
    Dock_Assist_System 1.3
    ECM_jammerScript 1.00
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    feudal-mission.js 9.0
    feudal-planetfall.js 3.0
    feudal-promotion.js 6.0
    feudal-ranks.js 5.0
    feudal-tournament.js 10.0
    FlightLog 1.07
    hiredGuns_system 1.0
    hoopy_casino 1.2.1
    illegal_goods_missions 1.5
    illegal_goods_tweak 1.5
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    interstellar_help 2.1
    LaveAcademy 1.2
    long_way_round
    misjump_analyser 1.1
    oolite-cloaking-device 1.77.1
    oolite-constrictor-hunt 1.77.1
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    oolite-contracts-helpers 1.77.1
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    towbarmissions 0.95
    tracker_worldScript.js 1.00
    TrafficControl 1.1
    trophy_col 2.1.2
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    vortex_player.js 1.30
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22:13:28.913 [startup.complete]: ========== Loading complete in 51.81 seconds. ==========
22:13:39.818 [script.load.world.listAll]: Loaded 91 world scripts:
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    AI Buying Advisor 2.8.1
    AI Selling Advisor 2.8.1
    AI Trading Assistant 2.8.1
    AI Trading Compatibility 2.8.1
    AI Trading Ethical Trader 2.8
    AI Trading Fallback Datalogger 2.8.1
    AI Trading History 2.8.1
    AI Trading Tips 2.8.1
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    aquatics_FX.js 1.00
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    Auto Crosshairs 1.0.4
    Better Screens 1.2
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    BGS-XMapping 1.9
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    Cabal_Common_Comms 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Functions 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Keyboard 1.7
    Cabal_Common_MissionHandling 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Music 1.7
    Cabal_Common_Overlay 1.7
    Cabal_Common_OXPStrength 1.7
    Cabal_Common_SpecialMarkets 1.7
    Caduceus Damage Control Node 2.0
    Camera Drones 1.3
    clipper_tanks_script.js 1.3.2
    Combat Simulator 1.0
    commandersLog 1.00
    deep_space_dredger 2.3.1
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    display-reputation-parcel 1.2
    display-reputation-passenger 1.2
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22:13:48.579 [files.notFound]: ----- WARNING: Could not find texture file "staer9_sidewinderx_diffuse.png".
22:16:19.747 [bigShips_populator]: 0 big trader(s) added to the Biabite system.
22:16:47.997 [bigShips_populator]: 1 big trader(s) added to the Telale system.
I seem to be missing some of staer9's textures although I don't know what oxp they are supposed to be in and it dosen't seem to affect anything but I will try and sort that out myself later.
Thanks for taking the time to try and help and apologies if this post is too long. :oops:

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:43 am
by Diziet Sma
G'day and welcome aboard, The Griffin GT! 8)

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22:12:36.545 [oxp.versionMismatch]: OXP ../AddOns/Basic-debug.oxp is incompatible with version 1.77.1 of Oolite.
Basic-debug.oxp can be deleted.. that will only function with the "test" deployment version of Oolite.. intended for use by OXP authors and devs.
The Griffin GT wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to try and help and apologies if this post is too long. :oops:
That's ok.. we're used to long logs being posted here.. it's the nature of the beast, you might say.. :lol:

(But "spoiler" tags, so they could only be viewed when wanted, would be nice.. and there is a phpBB Mod available for it.. how 'bout it, oh Mighty BB Gods?)

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 6:06 am
by another_commander
The Griffin GT wrote:
... with a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family graphic potato unit. :roll:
I believe that part of the problem is right here. This card has been known to be totally unsuitable for gaming and has been the cause of issues in Oolite also in the past. Fully recommend to replace it with at least an Intel HD Graphics level card, if possible.

Re: Is it the oxp or me?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:29 am
by Diziet Sma
another_commander wrote:
The Griffin GT wrote:
... with a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family graphic potato unit. :roll:
I believe that part of the problem is right here. This card has been known to be totally unsuitable for gaming and has been the cause of issues in Oolite also in the past. Fully recommend to replace it with at least an Intel HD Graphics level card, if possible.
That's a laptop graphic potato unit.. (apt name, btw!) and thus not replaceable.
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