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For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:08 pm
by Bugbear
Just a quick suggestion before I turn in for the night...
I saw this on the iPhone version of Elite. It's an experience to have to get used to manually docking again with unfamiliar controls...just like a new Oolite pilot.
It was a nice touch that I could engage the docking computer even though I hadn't actually bought it yet - I think the fee was something like 5cr per use.
This would make life much easier for all the Jamesons out there, and make the docking learning curve a little less steep...
Ok, time to sleep...
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:28 pm
by CommonSenseOTB
Cost 50cr from Elite A.
Edit: ArcElite actually.
I get these mixed up sometimes.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:28 pm
by Commander McLane
Not easy to implement. If you have no docking computer installed, hitting C or SHIFT-C won't do anything.
You could use a primeable equipment instead, but what's the difference between buying a primeable equipment and buying a proper docking computer? Using the primeable equipment would temporarily award a docking computer, so you'd be able to press C once (and pay a fee). Immediately after docking the temporarily awarded docking computer would be removed, until you use the primeable equipment again.
That sounds all a little awkward, and it would most probably be.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:37 am
by Capt. Murphy
If the EquipmentInfo key isVisible was read/write a script could make the Docking Computer non visible equipment, award it on the fly when entering the main station Aegis, and remove it again after docking. If it's purchased normally the script would make it a visible equipment item again, and ignore the code that does the above.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:35 pm
by Wildeblood
Sounds simple to me, I think McLane and Murphy are both over-complicating it. I know how I would implement it in an OXP if I thought it were a good idea, but is there any call for it?
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:52 pm
by Thargoid
Given someone asked for it, and it was in an earlier version of Elite - apparently yes. Albeit not a call from you.
But it could be done with a temporarily awarded docking computer that is removed on docking or leaving the aegis (and by that restricting it to the main station, although something could be coded to monitor distance from another station). The only question would be how to elegantly handle the discussion for offer and acceptance of it.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:30 am
by Wildeblood
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:03 am
by Capt. Murphy
Good start.
2 problems - I would still override the core docking computer equipment.plist entry to make the docking computer invisible, and make the certificate 'look' like you are buying the normal docking computer.
Secondly the handler this.playerStartedAutoPilot doesn't fire for instant dock so you don't get charged. Not sure of the top of my head how to get around that with the simple approach.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:42 am
by Wildeblood
Capt. Murphy wrote:I would still override the core docking computer equipment.plist entry to make the docking computer invisible, and make the certificate 'look' like you are buying the normal docking computer.
Why? That's the sort of over-complication that isn't needed, because it would raise more questions than it answers. If the new Jameson apparently doesn't have a docking computer, how is he performing pay-per-use automatic docking? If he does have one, why would he purchase "another"?
Capt. Murphy wrote:Secondly the handler this.playerStartedAutoPilot doesn't fire for instant dock so you don't get charged. Not sure off the top of my head how to get around that with the simple approach.
I think I know how to do it, but given that it's a one player game, and you're only "cheating" yourself, I'm in two minds whether to add more unnecessary script, or document that cheat behaviour as a feature. I've always thought of instant dock as just another cheat button, myself.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:46 am
by Capt. Murphy
Wildeblood wrote:Capt. Murphy wrote:I would still override the core docking computer equipment.plist entry to make the docking computer invisible, and make the certificate 'look' like you are buying the normal docking computer.
Why? That's the sort of over-complication that isn't needed, because it would raise more questions than it answers. If the new Jameson apparently doesn't have a docking computer, how is he performing pay-per-use automatic docking? If he does have one, why would he purchase "another"?
That's the behaviour from the versions of Elite that had the feature that is trying to be emulated. You could use the docking computer key without a docking computer fitted for a small fee. The hand-wavium was that the station's in house docking computer was taking remote control of your ship. IIRC it's availability was tech level limited as-well.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:27 am
by Wildeblood
Capt. Murphy wrote:You could use the docking computer key without a docking computer fitted for a small fee. The hand-wavium was that the station's in house docking computer was taking remote control of your ship. IIRC it's availability was tech level limited as-well.
To be blunt, I like my hand-wavium better, to wit:-
Docking Computers OXP ver. 1.0
Date: June 2nd, 2012
Author: Wildeblood
After a request by Bugbear.
https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12004
Installation and use:
Place the Docking Computers OXP into your "AddOns" folder. This OXP alters the game mechanics so that, when starting a new game, commanders can use the docking computer function immediately. However, each time they do so they will be charged a docking fee of 50 credits for contacting a station with an uncertified docking computer.
Needless to say, commanders who don't have 50 credits will need to perform manual docking.
To avoid docking fees, head to a planet of technical level 10 or above where, for a one-time fee of 1500 credits, you can have GalCop-trained engineers examine your Docking Computers and certify that they meet GalCop Standard GS40034 - Behaviour of Docking Computer AIs. After certification, you will never have to pay docking fees again.
TO-DO:
Add code to prevent, or document, instant dock cheat.
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:55 am
by Diziet Sma
CSOTB has
released an OXP for this too..
Re: For new pilots - pay per auto dock
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm
by CommonSenseOTB
Autodockv0.2 is now available for download.
