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That would be fun. But, not knowing enough the workings under the hood, I suspect the answer will have something to do with the more flexible java scripting solutions.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pmShould not the Missionaries deliver ecstatic, exultant, effervescing, exhilarated, euphoric and elongated eulogies to those who dare speak with them?
There are 30-odd different generation ships in the oxp. I'm quite sure you could run your Finnish clan trick for one of them.Old Murgh wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:20 pmThat would be fun. But, not knowing enough the workings under the hood, I suspect the answer will have something to do with the more flexible java scripting solutions.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pmShould not the Missionaries deliver ecstatic, exultant, effervescing, exhilarated, euphoric and elongated eulogies to those who dare speak with them?
As I'm wrestling with making the AI.plists provide entertaining broadcasts, I do hit a lot of walls. Too advanced or too specific, (like my now-abandoned idea of 30 different Finnish clans proudly announcing their generation ship – silly when two minutes later it's a different clan) and the risk of repetition is too big. I resign for now to keep it simpler and more generic so it won't sound like a demented robot.
It would be great if advancements like mentioned above were made on that front though, without being too complex for us less code savvy to program.
szaumix wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 9:17 pmHowever, I don't know if I said this to you in another thread or just thought it... the solution to filling the emptiness of open worlds is with crowdsourcing. I got the idea one time when I was adding to Broadcast Comms, I remember thinking, "why are there only ten responses here? There are hundreds of ways that the various flavors of person might express this!" -- which gave me the idea that developers should be making threads asking for mass contributions to fill the cavities of flavor and imagination in their projects. The lone developer is crippled by the fact that he must do everything himself, but as soon as it becomes a 5 man, 10 man, 50 man effort the increases are probably exponential.
Take any mod with a description, anything with goal or purpose or variety that is easily added to already existing code. Then imagine that not one (or two or three) developers, but FIFTY+ aegidian users had each thought up tens of variations of each subset of thing in that mod... suddenly the richness of the world explodes.
Those are inspiring words. I think part of that is to chip away at it in stages.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:50 pmThere are 30-odd different generation ships in the oxp. I'm quite sure you could run your Finnish clan trick for one of them.
Remember:szaumix wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 9:17 pm..Take any mod with a description, anything with goal or purpose or variety that is easily added to already existing code. Then imagine that not one (or two or three) developers, but FIFTY+ aegidian users had each thought up tens of variations of each subset of thing in that mod... suddenly the richness of the world explodes.
At the moment, BCC attempts to define NPC ships as one of these things: hunter, pirate, thargoid, police, station or escapepod. If it can't find one of those to match, it will default to "npc". Adding a new option isn't difficult, but it does require a code change at the moment. I'll need to investigate whether it's possible to migrate this selection process into a method easily tweakable by other OXP's.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pmHow do we best make the broadcast comms conversations fit these ships?
Or would it make more sense to let the oxp's do their own thing (if BCC were present, of course) and have a cut-off inside BCC preventing it from interfering?phkb wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:40 pmAt the moment, BCC attempts to define NPC ships as one of these things: hunter, pirate, thargoid, police, station or escapepod. If it can't find one of those to match, it will default to "npc". Adding a new option isn't difficult, but it does require a code change at the moment. I'll need to investigate whether it's possible to migrate this selection process into a method easily tweakable by other OXP's.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pmHow do we best make the broadcast comms conversations fit these ships?
Social:
Send greeting to target
Travel-related:
Requests for wormholes (broadcast ie. to all ships in range)
Combat-related:
Send distress message (broadcast ie. to all ships in range)
Send taunt to target
Issue threat to target
Offer bribe to target/Offer bribe to nearest attacker
Demand cargo from target
Keep away from my target
Surrender to target/Surrender to nearest attacker
Other:
Offer to rescue escape pod (only if fuel scoop is fitted)
Broadcast Comms mechanics:
Target last comms message
Surely the possibilities are vast, though I'm not the one with the coding answers. But in the case of refugees "remembering" stuff, considering how simply the old basic scripts could alter a "mission status" or add to the tally of a counter, I would guess that isn't too advanced.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:23 pmNext set of musings.
But. Can we add to these in a way in which Oolite can handle things? I'm interested in more lore-based interactions. And more social ones.
0) Social chit-chat: "How are you?" "Is the Edible Poet any good in this system?" "Greetings Commander! Have you visited Lave and its famous tree grub?" or "Don't forget to visit [techlevel 14-planet]. You will get a lot of upgrades for your ship there." or "If you ever come to [random-planet], pass my greetings to my mother."
1) The most obvious is dear old Murgh's Refugee Adder - offering help - as an escort or maybe even in other ways too (asking: "do you need anything?", offering fuel? offering food/water? offering dosh? etc). And is it possible for the refugee adder to "remember" this if I encounter it again in the next system?
2) Another obvious area is the missionaries oxp - conversations with missionaries would be lore-based and very different in character. Could I express an interest in the Witchspace Lobster and then get some help from the decapodal delinquents?
3) Conversations with Generation Ships would again be different (and possibly illegal!). Offering to help (directions, maps, food etc - if in hold - SWEconomy helpfully adds water, oxygen & medicine to the list of commodities)
4) Reading through the older threads on this topic, other ideas appear.
- asking for information (about the next system, about rock hermits, about local piracy/thargoid attacks)
•one presumes that one can warn that the rock hermit is piratical/neutral/mining, but can one also give clues as to its location? ie In the main traffic lane? Or near the sun?
•Local piracy/Thargoid attacks is measured by both Thargoid's Welcome Mat and by the Deeper Space HUD's "Current Risk Notifier"
- asking for a fuel transfer if marooned in witch-space
) have this potential, which I'll see if I can manage.
Que?Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:23 pm- asking for a fuel transfer if marooned in witch-space
Yes I had a feeling you weren't referring to my goody-two-shoes generation dinghies.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:23 pmThe illegal Generation Ships are the Draco Caeles version:
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{
"myship" = {
...
... various shipdata entries
...
script_info = {
"bcc_disable_defaults = (2,3,4); // this will disable message types 2, 3 and 4 for this ship type.
"bcc_custom_defaults = {
"1" = "[my_custom_greeting]"; // instead of using the default greeting descriptions.plist lookup, use "[my_custom_greeting]"
};
};
};
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script_info = {
"bcc_custom_messages = {
"seek_advice" = {
initial_state = "visible"; // whether the player will be offered this option immediately;
display = "Seek advice"; // what to display in the MFD
delete_on_transmit = yes; // indicates whether message option should be removed from MFD after use
transmit = "Do you know where there are good prices available?"; // what to transmit when the option is activated
post_transmit_function = "worldScripts.MyWorldScriptName.$transmit"; // function to call after transmitting the message (optional)
delay = 2; // how long to delay after transmission
reply = "Anywhere."; // the message that will be sent back to the player.
post_reply_function = "worldScripts.MyWorldScriptName.$reply" // function to call after sending the reply (optional)
post_reply_show_messages = ("complain", "thanks"); // messages to make visible after the reply is received
};
"complain" = {
initial_state = "hidden";
... message specs similar to "seek_advice"
};
"thanks" = {
initial_state = "hidden";
... message specs similar to "seek_advice"
};
};
};
As my shell-shock is still very fresh, I think this seems like a really wonderful step toward ease and freedom of use. Clear and logical. A real layperson loveletter.
Short answer: yes.