Oolite Bulletins

Commander McLane wrote:

I do still have Oolite 1.65, but it's impossible to test anything on it, because it doesn't work correctly on my 64-bit system.

Commander McLane wrote:

Come to think of it, it is also possible that the bounty-increasing behaviour was already present since 1.65 and I didn't notice it, because I don't tend to sit back and watch long fights between criminals and the cops. So maybe I only ever saw the first increase before I killed the pirate

Eric Walch wrote:

Commander McLane wrote:

I do still have Oolite 1.65, but it's impossible to test anything on it, because it doesn't work correctly on my 64-bit system.

Oolite 1.65 should still work on your new 64 bit system under OSX 10.6. The main problem are the oxps. Most authors still refuse to add a requires.plist to their oxp. I know I had to add them manually to a lot of the new stuff to make sure I still can run old 1.65. One of the problems are ships with to many vertexes. Oolite 1.65 can't handle them and crashes. No problem at that time as developers noticed themselves that Oolite would crash. But many of the new stuff with high vertex count doesn't add a minimum requirement.

Commander McLane wrote:

It does kind of work. There are just no textures drawn. At all. You see flashers and bodiless exhaust plumes, that's it. Not even the planet is visible.

Ahruman knows, but it's very low on his priority list.

Ad_Astra wrote:

Let's put it like this: 50Cr is more profit than you'd get trading a single TC of Computers from a Rich Industrial to a Poor Agricultural system. It's a lot,
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Ad_Astra wrote:

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... although not as much as I've seen on some Fugitive ships with Bounties in 200 to 500-odd Credit range (when they sometimes attack a Seedy Bar from the Random Hits OXP). Liberators make such appetising targets in those circumstances...

Commander McLane wrote:

I found Oolite 1.74.2 on a backup-HD. There the behaviour is clearly there. It's a shame that I don't have any older versions. I do still have Oolite 1.65, but it's impossible to test anything on it, because it doesn't work correctly on my 64-bit system.

Gimi wrote:

Commander McLane wrote:

I found Oolite 1.74.2 on a backup-HD. There the behaviour is clearly there. It's a shame that I don't have any older versions. I do still have Oolite 1.65, but it's impossible to test anything on it, because it doesn't work correctly on my 64-bit system.

I have 1.70 and 1.72.1 and above if it's any use. Just need to dig into the dark depths of my server and find them.

- (void) interpretAIMessage:(NSString *)ms
{
	if ([ms hasPrefix:AIMS_AGGRESSOR_SWITCHED_TARGET])
	{
		// if I'm under attack send a thank-you message to the rescuer
		//
//		NSArray* tokens = [ms componentsSeparatedByString:@" "];
		NSArray* tokens = [Entity scanTokensFromString:ms];
		int switcher_id = [(NSString*)[tokens objectAtIndex:1] intValue];
		Entity* switcher = [universe entityForUniversalID:switcher_id];
		int rescuer_id = [(NSString*)[tokens objectAtIndex:2] intValue];
		Entity* rescuer = [universe entityForUniversalID:rescuer_id];
		if ((switcher_id == primaryAggressor)&&(switcher_id == primaryTarget)&&(switcher)&&(rescuer)&&(rescuer->isShip)&&(thanked_ship_id != rescuer_id)&&(scan_class != CLASS_THARGOID))
		{
			if (scan_class == CLASS_POLICE)
				[self sendExpandedMessage:@"[police-thanks-for-assist]" toShip:(ShipEntity*)rescuer];
			else
				[self sendExpandedMessage:@"[thanks-for-assist]" toShip:(ShipEntity*)rescuer];
			thanked_ship_id = rescuer_id;
			[(ShipEntity*)switcher setBounty:[(ShipEntity*)switcher getBounty] + 5 + (ranrot_rand() & 15)];	// reward
		}	
	}
}

Eric Walch wrote:

It is part of the special AI message 'AIMS_AGGRESSOR_SWITCHED_TARGET' and the bounty is raised in the last line. But I don't see it as a real problem as it are only rare occasions that bounties keep increasing. I only remember one occasion were I saw it going over the 200. On the other hand, I rarely have the bounty scanner installed, so I probably don't notice the bounties that often.

Switeck wrote:

Lone pirates against a small number of traders are the most likely to get ridiculous bounties, especially if the traders are in slow ships relative to the lone pirates.

1. Bounties should only be dealt by the police. Therefore the case of a lone pirate against a small number of traders (without presence of a police ship!) should not happen at all. The engine does not raise the player bounty if no police (or station) is in scanner range, period.
   
   It is inconsistent that the engine does raise an NPC's bounty all on its own, without using the police AI mechanism, while it doesn't do that for the player.
2. Raises of player bounty are OR-ed (or XOR-ed; I'm not sure which). Therefore there is a ceiling. The bounty calculated by the game engine during fights with the police (or traders under the police's eyes) can never exceed a certain value. One usual progression while fighting inside the station aegis goes like this (if I recall correctly): hitting a trader = 7; hitting a police ship = 79; hitting the station = 111. I think there is a fourth step (or a slightly different progression) where you can end up with a bounty somewhere in the 120s, but that's the end of the line. You'll never get more.
   
   It is inconsistent that there is a ceiling for the player, but no ceiling for NPCs.
3. Lastly, and following directly from the other points: The whole switching-of-target-gives-a-higher bounty-mechanism only exists for NPCs in the first place. The player never gets a higher bounty for switching to another target, whether the police are looking or not.
   
   It is inconsistent to have a special bounty raising mechanism that only applies to NPCs, not to the player.

1. All bounty dealing to be triggered only by the relevant police AIs and the code parts relevant for police ships and GalCop stations.
2. Therefore no bounty dealing at all if no police and/or station is nearby.
3. Therefore no bounty dealing for target-switching NPCs outside the police entity code.
4. Generally player and NPCs to be treated equally with regard to bounties.

Thargoid wrote:

There isn't an OXP to display the players bounty (aside from the built-in display of clean/offender/fugitive), although coding one would be very trivial to do. If you want it I'll code one up for you (or I'm sure one of the other scripters could also do it). It's not been done as for most people the c/o/f levels are sufficient.

Fatleaf wrote:

Thargoid wrote:

There isn't an OXP to display the players bounty (aside from the built-in display of clean/offender/fugitive), although coding one would be very trivial to do. If you want it I'll code one up for you (or I'm sure one of the other scripters could also do it). It's not been done as for most people the c/o/f levels are sufficient.

I would really appreciate if you would do this.

You could even add it to your log oxp.