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Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:06 pm
by Smivs
Nice to see the OXZs flying off the shelf. I've just hit my first 'ton' - 100 downloads of Delightful Docking
Coming up strongly in second place is ExtraFuelTanks (90) and pleasing to see Aliens in third with 76.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:14 pm
by Diziet Sma
I've been meaning to ask.. now that Stations rotate slower in 1.80 anyway, how does that aspect compare with Delightful Docking?
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:20 pm
by Smivs
Er, do they? Um, I don't know. I expect if the rotation in DD is different to core, the OXZ rotations are applied.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:49 pm
by Diziet Sma
Smivs wrote:Er, do they? Um, I don't know. I expect if the rotation in DD is different to core, the OXZ rotations are applied.
Yup. See:
Announcing Oolite v1.80
another_commander wrote:Gameplay:
=========
* Station rotation slowed down
I've even seen (mild) complaints about how some players are having trouble getting used to the slower rotation!
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:51 pm
by Smivs
<Returns from some poking around.>
Hmmm. The stations now rotate at 0.08 according to shipdata, which is slower than DD
They have different rotations in DD, the Coriolis is set to 0.18, the dodo at 0.16 and the ico at 0.15. It seems I may have been guilty of some inadvertant mis-selling.
The funny thing is I just disabled DD and launched and the rotation looked exactly the same with or without the OXZ. Is something funny going on or are are the differences so small they don't actually notice?
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:58 pm
by Cody
I have my Griff stations' rotations set to 0.10, 0.08, and 0.06 - and the Torus set to 0.04 (I think).
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:08 pm
by Smivs
After more poking around, I see that the new stations are templates and are now called that eg
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"oolite_template_coriolis-station"
so in fact DD which uses the old names eg
isn't affecting the rotation at all.
Apologies for the confusion, I'll have a think as to what to do - one option is to just forget rotation altogether.
Edited to add:- Wiki page now edited to correct mis-information.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:12 pm
by cim
Smivs wrote:After more poking around, I see that the new stations are templates and are now called that eg
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"oolite_template_coriolis-station"
so in fact DD which uses the old names eg
isn't affecting the rotation at all.
Apologies for the confusion, I'll have a think as to what to do - one option is to just forget rotation altogether.
Note that Oolite
never directly adds the ship
oolite_template_coriolis-station to the game - in fact, you can't do that, as it's marked as "
is_template", so by the time the game has finished starting up the shipdata key no longer exists. Further down the shipdata file is
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"coriolis-station" =
{
like_ship = "oolite_template_coriolis-station";
};
which is not a template and is used to add the stations to the game. I'll download DD now and take a look at what's going on.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:14 pm
by Diziet Sma
Smivs wrote:I'll have a think as to what to do - one option is to just forget rotation altogether.
Another might be to make various settings adjustable via OXPConfig.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:18 pm
by Smivs
cim wrote:I'll download DD now and take a look at what's going on.
Thanks. It looks from your post that it should be working then, but speeding them up! It'll be good to get to the bottom of this.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:20 pm
by cim
Okay, DD works for me to modify the roll - both in terms of what's returned by the game
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> S.mainStation.roll //with DD installed
0.28274333477020264
> S.mainStation.roll // without DD installed
0.12566371262073517
and in being able to tell the difference visually - much faster with DD installed.
(Note that the values reported by JS are in radians per second, but the values in station_roll are - unlike every other turn rate in the game... - in right angles per second, so they don't match)
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:26 pm
by Diziet Sma
cim wrote:the values in station_roll are ... in right angles per second,
So where on earth did
that come from? I don't recall
ever seeing right angles per second used as a unit of measure.. anywhere.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:29 pm
by Smivs
OK, many thanks.
So it is working and is speeding them up. Not quite what I had in mind - Ho hum....
<Starts work on v1.1>
Edited to add:-
Ha, I've gone for the easy option - leave things as they are. The DD rotations are fine in game and are still slower than the default used to be, so I'm happy to leave them as they are, albeit a little faster than the new default stations.
the wiki wrote:Rotation - Earlier versions of Delightful Docking slowed the default stations, but the stations now have a much lower rotation as standard. Delightful Docking gives a different rate of rotation to each of the station types, and these are slightly higher than the default station rotation.
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:32 pm
by Diziet Sma
I may have to uninstall DD (only briefly, I like the music) to see what I've been missing!
Re: Smivs' OXPs and Oolite v1.80
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:53 pm
by Smivs
With Delightful Docking now sorted out and the new CombatHUD variants released, I think (hope) that all the current OXZs are now fully up to date. My next task then is to get my head round the new populator mechanism and try to update Giant Space Pizza, then it will be time to start thinking about the shipset, and get back to work on the much-delayed Gorgon Cruiser. Never a dull moment...