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Commander McLane wrote:

Back to topic again.

Commander McLane wrote:

The next question is: if there is nothing to gain from mining iceteroids, should miners shoot them up in the first place? Perhaps they'd do it for fun, or to clear the area?

The question is more or less rhetorical, because I don't see an easy way to prevent miners from shooting iceteroids. According to the Wiki scanForRocks scans first for ships havin role "boulder" and, if it finds none, for ships having role "asteroid". Therefore the ice boulders are ignored, because they don't have "boulder" among their roles. The iceteroids, however, are spawned through their "asteroid" role, therefore they have that role by definition. And while it is possible to add other roles after spawning, I don't think it's possible to remove a role after spawning. Thus, as long as they're spawned as normal asteroids (which in itself makes sense), I don't think miners can easily be prevented from blowing them up.

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Perhaps this is an oxp feature? Every OXP author is responsible for getting their shipdata.plist right. It's all well-documented, and it's not exactly rocket science.

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Commander McLane wrote:

Commander McLane wrote:

The next question is: if there is nothing to gain from mining iceteroids, should miners shoot them up in the first place? Perhaps they'd do it for fun, or to clear the area?

The question is more or less rhetorical, because I don't see an easy way to prevent miners from shooting iceteroids. According to the Wiki scanForRocks scans first for ships havin role "boulder" and, if it finds none, for ships having role "asteroid". Therefore the ice boulders are ignored, because they don't have "boulder" among their roles. The iceteroids, however, are spawned through their "asteroid" role, therefore they have that role by definition. And while it is possible to add other roles after spawning, I don't think it's possible to remove a role after spawning. Thus, as long as they're spawned as normal asteroids (which in itself makes sense), I don't think miners can easily be prevented from blowing them up.

Perhaps this is an oxp feature?

Commander McLane wrote:

The next question is: if there is nothing to gain from mining iceteroids, should miners shoot them up in the first place? Perhaps they'd do it for fun, or to clear the area?

old freighter captain wrote:

Beware those belters son, steer clear of 'em when you see 'em. Spends most o' their time alone and some of 'em tend to go all funny in the head. No tellin' what they might do. Heh! You heed my words now son, ya hear?

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Commander McLane wrote:

The next question is: if there is nothing to gain from mining iceteroids, should miners shoot them up in the first place? Perhaps they'd do it for fun, or to clear the area?

This is a feature. The miners are clearing navigational hazards from the spacelanes or just having fun.

Commander McLane wrote:

SandJ wrote:

give them the role together with a role weight of 0. Then they never get chosen as ordinary boulders. You should add "boulder(0)" to their roles.

this.shipTakingDamage(amount,whom,type) {
  if (this.ship.energy <= 0) {
    this.ship.remove(true);
  }
}

Norby wrote:

I added this nicesteroids into the OXZ manager.

Staer9 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:59 am

Wildeblood wrote:

Too bright - the effect is more phosphorescent than translucent. It doesn't matter so much if they're in the sunlight, but on the dark side of the planet, where there is no sun at all, it is particularly obvious. I thought "kryptonite" more than "ice". Also, being bright, the edges of polygons are obvious which makes them look unrealistic...

Thanks for your comments, the trouble is that oolite doesn't support transparency (something which has had some debate before so there is no point going into detail now) because of this I had to emulate it as best as I could, which is why the normals are flipped, it is an effect not immediately noticeable by if you do notice you'll find yourself slowly getting closer and closer to the monitor. I also attempted to emulate a fractioning effect by using a glow-map... the problem with this you have pointed out, when they are on the dark side of the planet it seems unreal...

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:50 am

2) SW Economy
This oxp introduces water as a commodity. Could scooped icesteroids count - or would they need melting and distilling? And how would one include this in the game? Some sort of code in SW Economics, maybe?

montana05 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:10 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:50 am

2) SW Economy
This oxp introduces water as a commodity. Could scooped icesteroids count - or would they need melting and distilling? And how would one include this in the game? Some sort of code in SW Economics, maybe?

If you want to keep it simple, just include a simple script to this OXP:

Check the market if water is a commodity
If yes, spawn some additional splinters containing water to scoop after a boulder is destroyed. Splinters are quite similar, with containers so easy to handle.

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:50 pm

montana05 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:10 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:50 am

2) SW Economy
This oxp introduces water as a commodity. Could scooped icesteroids count - or would they need melting and distilling? And how would one include this in the game? Some sort of code in SW Economics, maybe?

If you want to keep it simple, just include a simple script to this OXP:

Check the market if water is a commodity
If yes, spawn some additional splinters containing water to scoop after a boulder is destroyed. Splinters are quite similar, with containers so easy to handle.

I think that both this one - and Griff's original - produce ice-boulders, ice-splinters and occasional chunks of alloy.

montana05 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:33 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:50 pm

I think that both this one - and Griff's original - produce ice-boulders, ice-splinters and occasional chunks of alloy.

I didn't have a look at both OXP's, so now I am just guessing. I do believe that the splinters will provide minerals, nothing else. To spawn water, you will need to add more splinters containing it. I am still waiting for advice from phkb if this is a wanted feature or just another bug in the core game.

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:58 am

montana05 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:33 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:50 pm

I think that both this one - and Griff's original - produce ice-boulders, ice-splinters and occasional chunks of alloy.

I didn't have a look at both OXP's, so now I am just guessing. I do believe that the splinters will provide minerals, nothing else. To spawn water, you will need to add more splinters containing it. I am still waiting for advice from phkb if this is a wanted feature or just another bug in the core game.

I was wrong. Double-checked with Telescope and a Mining Laser.

Staer9's icesteroids produce ice boulders which either split up into smaller ice boulders or into metal fragments (alloys).
Griffs Ice Asteroids split immediately into metal fragments.

One wonders if these effects should be changed. But then we would need boulders for Griff and splinters for both.

And one presumes that all that ice is just supposed to vaporise under the effects of the laser, even a tightly focused mining laser.

montana05 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:14 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:58 am

montana05 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:33 am

I didn't have a look at both OXP's, so now I am just guessing. I do believe that the splinters will provide minerals, nothing else. To spawn water, you will need to add more splinters containing it. I am still waiting for advice from phkb if this is a wanted feature or just another bug in the core game.

I was wrong. Double-checked with Telescope and a Mining Laser.

Staer9's icesteroids produce ice boulders which either split up into smaller ice boulders or into metal fragments (alloys).
Griffs Ice Asteroids split immediately into metal fragments.

One wonders if these effects should be changed. But then we would need boulders for Griff and splinters for both.

And one presumes that all that ice is just supposed to vaporise under the effects of the laser, even a tightly focused mining laser.

Both could be changed, Staer9's could have added splinters and therefore to water if available. Griff I need to have a look at the OXP first,
if I could use the shaders for splinters, there shouldn't be a problem. However, I only know the basics of shaders and therefore Griff's usually I fail to modify. I also believe that splinters have a default of minerals, so a workaround will be needed to actually get water.