OS wars

pagroove · Post by **pagroove** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:21 pm

Well as a 'simple user I have to say I happily run a double boot config here. In that way I can always hook up to the Internet in case Win XP isn't working or anything. But both OS have their charms and frustrations.

--A bit off-topic--
I'm not to keen on with MS gaming policy. They just go for the big market share.

As a member of a scenery development team for MS-Flightsim
I witnessed the introduction of Flight simulator X. When it came out it underperformed. MS fixed that but users had to pay for that as the patch came in the form of the Flight Simulator Acceleration pack. Yes that 'acceleration' came with a price because users had to pay for it. So while I can't blame a commercial company for being commercial and offering additional content (which is good) I blame them for selling products that are not finished (because it was X-mass rushed), then patching and then asking money for it.

MS isn't the only company doing that. It's more of a general development in the gaming market.
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Website · Post by **DaddyHoggy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:48 pm

That's interesting to know pagroove - we're working on ESP at work (which is effectively FS-X with different T&Cs) but ESP 2 (when they combine Flight Sim with Train Sim) looks promising - although the MOD is cautious about fully getting into bed with M$

pagroove · Post by **pagroove** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:06 pm

@ Daddyhoggy Well a.t.m. we are developing for FSX building a scenery for the Netherlands

Check: http://www.nl-2000.com/nuke/index.php?newlang=english
and the video's here:

http://www.nl-2000.com/nuke/modules.php ... le&sid=192

These are not my videos!
I'm doing more background work. Texturing buildings but not a.t.m.

Although I still fly on FS2004, but that's again off-topic.

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:25 pm

It's a ripoff, no doubt. Alas, MS seems to be the last ones actually releasing a flight sim. Every other commercial gaming house is cranking out MMORGS, blech.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:29 pm

Cmdr Wyvern wrote:
It's a ripoff, no doubt. Alas, MS seems to be the last ones actually releasing a flight sim.

Eh, what?

Post by **Cmdr James** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:33 pm

Last one remaining, rather than last one to get into it

Website · Post by **DaddyHoggy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:37 pm

Don't forget that Lock-on is still going strong too - especially within the defence community anyway.

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:00 pm

pagroove wrote:
Well as a 'simple user I have to say I happily run a double boot config here. In that way I can always hook up to the Internet in case Win XP isn't working or anything. But both OS have their charms and frustrations.

Oh, no doubt.

GNU/Linux isn't perfect, and still has a steep learning curve to it. But where the internet is concerned, it's a tank. Malware bounces right off, and intrusion attempts can be laughed at...so long as you don't surf as Root.

XP has been around a long time, it's well documented, it's quirks are pretty much well known, and fixes, utilities and diagnostic apps for it are legion. It's almost child's play to make it do what you want as opposed to what MS wants it to do to you. I don't trust it on the internet, it's not bulletproof enough for that. But as a slimmed down gaming engine it's willing to deliver.

Vista, blah. Sure, it behaves for some people, and that's all well and fine.
For me, it flat refused to play nice, lazed about when I wanted performance, and decided it was going to lord it over me and the machine I built with my own two hands, out of my own pocket, and had the gall to nag me over everything.
That's punk behavior gentlemen, and punks will not be tolerated in my house, so vista got my boot to it's arrogant lazy whiny fat punk ass post haste. I don't tolerate DRM either, and vista reeks with it. Thanks but no thanks.

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:03 pm

Ahruman wrote:
Cmdr Wyvern wrote:
It's a ripoff, no doubt. Alas, MS seems to be the last ones actually releasing a flight sim.
Eh, what?

Meaning among commercial game houses. Count on open-source projects to step up to bat when Big Money drops the ball.

JensAyton · Post by **JensAyton** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:10 pm

X-Plane is very much a commercial enterprise (and serious business), and not at all new. But with a site that ugly, I’m not surprised you thought it was open source. ;-)

Website · Post by **DaddyHoggy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:17 pm

We're testing the beta of Windows 7 at work at the moment - trying to decide if it should be called Vista lite or XP SP4! It's running fine on a couple of test rigs - an old Athlon XP1600+ and Core 2 Duo E6800 - haven't had chance to hammer it hard yet - too busy.

Much, much, much less system consuming than Vista (min spec is 1GHz CPU and 1GB RAM) so far...

I'm running this old Thinkpad 600 dual boot because I like Ubuntu and the fact that I feel fairly safe surfing the 'net with it and I can use lots of USB device which I can't under 98SE, but I've got 98SE coz although oolite won't run on it, I've got Total Annihilation sat in the CD-ROM drive...

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:20 pm

Ahruman wrote:
But with a site that ugly, I’m not surprised you thought it was open source.

They probably hired a freelance 'web designer' who promised art then took the cash and cranked out poop. It happens, you know. A lot.

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:39 pm

I was reading through the features list on X-Plane. They're not skimping on features.

This one line made me laugh:

"All systems fail if you crash the plane really hard. Kind of more accurate, I guess."

Gee...Ya think?

wackyman465 · Post by **wackyman465** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:02 am

I've tried a demo version of X-plane: not something I would pay 40$ for, but fun.

Only ones left making a flight sim? Only ones left making a MODERN flight sim...

What about this?

Cmdr Wyvern · Post by **Cmdr Wyvern** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:14 am

@Wacky
Oolite is a community driven, open-sourced, noncommercial project. It's also a modernized remake of a 25-year-old blast from the past.