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Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 3:11 pm
by Diziet Sma
cim wrote:mandoman wrote:Code: Select all
11:13:15.552 [rendering.opengl.version]: OpenGL renderer version: 1.4.0 ("1.4 Mesa 9.2.1"). Vendor: "Intel Open Source Technology Center". Renderer: "Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33
[...]
GL_ARB_shading_language_100,
[...]
11:13:15.561 [rendering.opengl.shader.support]: Shaders are supported.
This might be the problem - the driver is claiming shader support, but the card as a whole only supports OpenGL 1.4, so it probably doesn't provide very quick shader support. It wouldn't be the first old on-board card we've seen to support shaders but do so badly enough that it would be better if it didn't. If that's it, switching the graphics settings to non-shader mode will probably solve the problem.
Agreed.. I dug through the full specifications list for the
ASUS P5KPL-CM Motherboard and found it uses the Intel GMA 3100 Graphics chip, about which,
Wikipedia says:
GMA 3100
Integrated graphics found on G31 and G33 chipset motherboards. Shader Model 3.0, support Pixel Shader 2.0 and doesn't support Vertex Shader with OpenGL 1.4 support.
With that kind of half-hearted "support" for shaders, Oolite would run better with shaders disabled.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:07 pm
by cim
Diziet Sma wrote:Agreed.. I dug through the full specifications [...]
support Pixel Shader 2.0 and doesn't support Vertex Shader with OpenGL 1.4 support.
Right, that's that then. If it's trying to do the vertex shader half of the shader application in software that will give terrible performance, even with high-end CPUs.
If turning shaders off fixes the graphics speed problem I'll add an entry to the gpu-settings file to force them off on that chipset.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:10 pm
by mandoman
Getafix wrote:
Are you running in strict mode?
If you resize the window (F12 for windowed mode) do you see performance improvement?
Can you try running in full-screen non-strict mode and reduce the graphics details from Oolite options menu?
Does any of these changes reduce the "jerkiness"?
No, it's not in strict mode. Resizing the screen has no effect on the jerkiness. How DO you change the settings in Game Options? I went to the GNUstep directory, found the oolite.plist in defaults, and tried dumping the synthesized shaders, but it didn't change anything.
Diziet Sma, I downloaded, and installed the Intel drivers for Linux Debian from the site you posted. No change. I'll keep plugging at it, and once more, I appreciate the help.
Ah, I see that cim is taking direct action. Thanks cim.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:16 pm
by Diziet Sma
mandoman wrote:Diziet Sma, I downloaded, and installed the Intel drivers for Linux Debian from the site you posted. No change.
Given what we've learned about your on-board graphics, there is no fix possible, apart from installing a graphics card. In the meantime, turning shaders off in your Oolite options should hopefully fix the flickering problem.
mandoman wrote:How DO you change the settings in Game Options? I went to the GNUstep directory, found the oolite.plist in defaults, and tried dumping the synthesized shaders, but it didn't change anything
From F2>Game Options whilst docked.. or Pause, then F2>Game Options, in flight.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:19 pm
by mandoman
Maybe I should try the GeForce card one more time, now that I have the drivers for it downloaded.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:31 pm
by Getafix
To try various graphics options, pres F2 while docked or Paused
select Game Options and you have four choices of graphics detail (minimum, normal, shaders on and extra).
Try various settings to see what is the maximum that you can get without jerky graphics.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:34 pm
by Diziet Sma
Getafix wrote:select Game Options and you have four choices of graphics detail (minimum, normal, shaders on and extra).
Unless Mandoman is running trunk, no, he doesn't..
mandoman wrote:Code: Select all
Opening log for Oolite version 1.77.1 (x86-64) under Linux 3.11.0-12-generic at 2014-05-10 11:13:14 -0500.
For 1.77.1, Mandoman, your shader choices are Off, Simple or Full.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:00 pm
by Getafix
Diziet Sma wrote:...Unless Mandoman is running trunk, no, he doesn't..
...
<Getafix bangs his head against the wall>
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:10 pm
by Diziet Sma
Mandoman.. I've been thinking some more about your GeForce woes, and have been wondering to what extent the BIOS settings might be involved. With that in mind, I downloaded the User Manual for your motherboard, and there are some weird-ass settings in there I'd never heard of, to the point I even had to google some of it.
The short version is, depending on how your friend who built the system set things up, and depending on what he does and/or doesn't know about that particular BIOS, there is a chance that it might be the BIOS stopping the card from working correctly.
So my question to you is, how comfortable and/or familiar are you with poking around in the BIOS settings?
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:21 pm
by mandoman
About ready to throw my hands and give it up. I tried the GeForce card again, and it's fried. I guess I'm ignorant about what you mean when you say "unless mandoman is running trunk", I downloaded the game from the Oolite site, AFTER purging all versions of it from my machine, both from canonical, and Oolite. I've removed the GeForce card again, and switched the on-board graphics back on. This seems to be way above my head. Seems I have to be more than just a player/oxper to play Oolite on this machine. I may just have to wait until I get another video card, which could be a while.
Diziet Sma, manipulating the BIOS is exactly what I've been doing. With the card installed, I have to make sure the on-board Intel graphics are disabled, which I have done when the card is installed. I turn the on-board graphics back on in BIOS when I take it out. When installed, I also disable Palette Snooping, as well as Pegforce x1 in the BIOS. If I'm doing something wrong, let me know. My "friend" has decided that he is too busy to help, so I'm on my own.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:39 pm
by mandoman
Diziet Sma wrote:From F2>Game Options whilst docked.. or Pause, then F2>Game Options, in flight.
Then what. I can get that far, but when I scroll down to the Shaders adjustment, nothing I do seems to open/change/anything on the setting. I'm sorry if I'm being dense. I've tried looking all around, but I can't find the correct steps to take after I get into Game Options/Shader Effects.
<Getafix bangs his head against the wall>
Getafix, get a hold. It's not that big of a deal. I really appreciate this help. If nothing else, I'm learning more stuff.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:47 pm
by Diziet Sma
Sounds like you've got a handle on things then, if you're already playing with those settings.. out of curiosity, are you able to access the BIOS settings with the monitor connected to the GeForce, or do you have to use the internal graphics to access the BIOS settings? If you can't use the GeForce to access the BIOS, that would tend to suggest the card is fried.
It sounds as if you're doing things right..
According to TechArp:
PEG Force X1
Common Options : Enabled, Disabled
Quick Review
This BIOS feature allows you to convert a PCI Express X16 slot into a PCI Express X1 slot.
When enabled, the PCI Express X16 slot will be forced to run in the PCI Express X1 mode.
When disabled, the PCI Express X16 slot will be allowed to run in its normal PCI Express X16 mode.
If you have a PCI Express X16 graphics card installed in your system, you should disable this BIOS feature. This allows for optimal performance of the card by ensuring maximum transfer rates between the graphics card and the motherboard.
But if you need to install a PCI Express X1 card into the PCI Express X16 slot, you should enable this BIOS feature to ensure maximum compatibility.
The only other thing I'd suggest you check is that DVMT Mode Select is enabled (
not set to FIXED, in other words), and that DVMT/FIXED Memory is set to 256MB, and
not 128MB. After all, you may as well get the best possible performance you can out of the on-board graphics.
Do you have a copy of the User Manual for your MoBo? The section on BIOS settings is pretty useful, even if they don't explain things too well sometimes, forcing people to google stuff.
If not, I stuck a copy of it in my box.com account for you. You can get it
here. There's also an installation guide for your board, which might come in handy some time. You can get it
here.
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:48 pm
by Cody
mandoman wrote:... but when I scroll down to the Shaders adjustment, nothing I do seems to open/change/anything on the setting.
When on shader settings, are you using the right/left arrow keys? You should be offered off, simple, and full (it may take a second or two to change, btw).
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:52 pm
by Diziet Sma
mandoman wrote:Diziet Sma wrote:From F2>Game Options whilst docked.. or Pause, then F2>Game Options, in flight.
Then what. I can get that far, but when I scroll down to the Shaders adjustment, nothing I do seems to open/change/anything on the setting. I'm sorry if I'm being dense. I've tried looking all around, but I can't find the correct steps to take after I get into Game Options/Shader Effects.
Ok.. if you can "get into" Shader Effects, that's a sign that at least Oolite recognises that your graphics are (kind of) shader capable. To change the settings, you need to use the left/right arrow keys on the keyboard. It might just be my overworked laptop, but I find I need to use firm keypresses, not light taps, to get them to "take", and it is sometimes a moment before it responds.
Edit: Ninja'd by Cody..
Re: Sound Absent
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:03 pm
by mandoman
Diziet Sma wrote:
The only other thing I'd suggest you check is that DVMT Mode Select is enabled (
not set to FIXED, in other words), and that DVMT/FIXED Memory is set to 256MB, and
not 128MB. After all, you may as well get the best possible performance you can out of the on-board graphics.
Do you have a copy of the User Manual for your MoBo? The section on BIOS settings is pretty useful, even if they don't explain things too well sometimes, forcing people to google stuff.
If not, I stuck a copy of it in my box.com account for you. You can get it
here. There's also an installation guide for your board, which might come in handy some time. You can get it
here.
I think it is at 256MB, but I'll check again. Yes, I CAN get into the BIOS with or without the card installed.
Cody wrote:mandoman wrote:... but when I scroll down to the Shaders adjustment, nothing I do seems to open/change/anything on the setting.
When on shader settings, are you using the right/left arrow keys? You should be offered off, simple, and full (it may take a second or two to change, btw).
*****LOL******** I tried everything BUT the left and right arrows.