Oolite Bulletins

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:15 pm

afaik -- the parts work this way ( pls. correct when i am wrong )

energy banks -- provide the energy for the whole ship
grid - distributes the energy over the whole ship
E-units - provides the grid with accumulated energy ( like a capacitor )


matthias

An Extra Energy Unit may be fitted at planets of Tech level 8 or higher,
and doubles the energy bank replenishment rate. This is the energy unit
with the copper colored top. No other unit looks like it, or lasts like
it.

Basic energy banks have standard fittings for an additional generator, improving the rate at which your energy banks are able to recharge. Note that an EEU is not the same as an extra energy bank! Manufacturers include Berner Workshops, a subsidiary of Aegidian Industries based at Xexedi.

The reason that doubled energy units are not standard in of-the-'yard ships is affordability.

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:25 pm

Hmmmm

I am coming more and more to the opinion, that there is a need
for an energy-floating-diagramm, to make clear witch equipment
does what, where and how.

cheers
Matthias

But, further, the oxp's muddy the waters as they tend to espouse different models.

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:08 am

Hello
@ mods -- maybe its better to splitt this diskussion

anyway
!!! standard game

where does the energy come from?
- the answer " from the machine" is not satisfying

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i have just tried -- all fuel exhausted by injection / then stopped flying further on
to be shure that its empty - inititated fuel to energy (oxp)
==>> i have no fuel anymore

now started "range finder" - till my energy is near zero
before zero i stopped this
==> energy banks begin to reload.

where does the energy comes from?
-- fuel is not the answer!
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====>> alcohol initiated idea
the HQVEE --- (Hawking Qantum Vakuum Energie Extractor )

-> replacing the energie recharge number with the number of max. HQVEE
-- every HQVEE makes 0,1 recharge ( for 3,0 recharge you'll need 30 HQVEE

the max. number of HQVEE should fit to the former energy recharge rate of an actual ship

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EEU & NEU / why HQVEE?
...to make it logical

the HQVEE produces energy -- but "dirty" energy => only ~10% are useable
EEU - cleans the HQVEE energy so that more energy can be used ( x% )
NEU - cleans to y%
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for the game
++++ new buyable equipment that doesn't change gameplaying - but makes it more realistic
----- a lot of work for the developpers
++++ could preserve a lot of questions from players / and maybe - helps for making a energy-float-diagram


matthias

The default model, as I see it, would be:

Energy generators -> accumulators (energy banks) -> shields

Extra Energy Unit and Naval Energy Unit are generators, which imply that engines aren't, and there are core game ships with low energy generation and high speed, like the Sidewinder Scout Ship.

In the core game, engines (cruising and Torus, not fuel injectors or wormhole generators) and energy generators are perpetual-motion devices, they work for free.

Now, if you run Stranger's World "HardWay OXP", the model changes:

fuel -> energy generators -> energy banks -> shields
fuel -> engines (cruising, Torus and fuel injectors)

So Dybal understand there to be two perpetual motion machines (pmm's), the engine, and the energy generator.

There would seem to be three possible models on offer:

1) Dybal's dual perpetual motion machine. The EEU is now a third such pmm.
2) My assumption (based on Stranger's World): it is the engine that creates the energy which feeds the energy banks, and the EEU is either an independent power source (a second pmm) - or also feeds off the engine in some way.
3) The third logical possibility that the original Energy Unit/Generator both drives the engine and supplies the energy banks. The EEU only feeds the energy banks, and is a second pmm.

I presume that the game coding does not help clarify the issue (Why should it?).

Following Ockham's razor (entities - especially imaginary ones - should not be multiplied without necessity), I think that the second version of the second theory makes most sense. It also seems compatible (to me, at first glance) with both Stranger's HardWay model, and with Phkb's Ship Configuration OXP.

Basic Handwavium Premise: The Perpetual Motion Machine that is a ship's drive engine generates Heat.

That Heat needs to go somewhere lest the ship go boom. The Perpetual Motion Machine takes in stuff from space (Dark Matter, Hydrogen, anything else you might prefer). This stuff is then ignited in a combustion chamber resulting in a highly unstable plasma. This burning plasma is then expelled out through a ship's engine ports into the cold void of space in order to drive a ship forward. The greater the speed of a ship at a given moment the greater the amount of plasma generated hence the change in the size, shape, and color of the exhaust plume. It is that ignition/burning process that leads to the excess Heat that needs to be expelled from a ship.

The Extra Energy Unit and the Naval Energy Unit are advanced types of Thermoelectric Generators. These two items recycle a small portion of the excess heat that the Perpetual Motion Machine generates and converts that heat into energy. This converted heat energy then recharges the Energy Banks and, in turn, the Shields, and every other energy consuming device that a ship might be equipped with. The Naval Energy Unit can handle more heat and energy per second then the Extra Energy Unit so is capable of a higher recharge rate.

For something even more powerful and faster than the Naval Energy Unit one needs to look at the Eco Reactor from Norby's ECO LASERS. Highly recommended for the side mounts of your ship.

I don't think you need Perpetual Motion Machines … a small tokamak fusion reactor would do the trick. OK, it does technically use fuel, but in such minute quantities that it would be needlessly petty to account for it. A kilo of deuterium and tritium would be enough to keep a ship going for at least a decade or two. The EEU and NEU increase the reactor output by augmenting the tokamak's magnetic pinch-field with a system of rotating monopoles. The EEU has two, and the NEU has eight; obviously, you can't run these both simultaneously, or the whole assemblage would fly apart. This sort of failure is known as an EBVN event - Exciting, Brief, and Very Noisy.

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:41 am

Disembodied... supreme master of handwavium.

need some special feature adding to the gameplay - some special fuel that can only be obtained by skimming at length around M-category stars for example (and which costs an arm and a leg to buy elsewhere).

[Vakuum Energy] ------> [HQVEEs ] --------------->  [optional EEU/NEU] =======>||                      |  --> "other Equipment"
                                                                               ||                      |
[Fuel] ------> [optional Auxiliary Energy Generator] ------------------------->||                      |
                                                                               || =>> Energy Banks ==>|| ==>> shields
                       [optional Emergency Energy Unit] ---------------------->|                       |
                                                                               |                       |  ----> "other"
                              ["docked at Station"] -------------------------->|

the doubled lines remarks  the extra energy Grid