The U.S. election - the aftermath

[UK_Eliter]

> I would have like to have seen the final run go between Bernie and Donald, that would have been interesting. They both see things much the same way, and they both wanna drain the swamp that is the district of criminals.

I disagree. It seems to me that Trump is pretty much a fascist, whereas Sanders is a socialist of a non-authoritarian variety. Moreover, I think there is little evidence that Trump wants to drain any swamps, unless one counts a desire - itself perhaps owing only to a thirst for popularity (or perhaps it owes to racism) - to deport criminals who are also illegal immigrants.

[ClymAngus]

I wouldn't go underestimating the man. (and no I'm not defending him) He is a sales man this time he was selling himself and he succeeded. Problem is making good on all the things he promised. Some of which could turn out to be unrealisable. Then you have ask does it really matter if he does. Maybe the point wasn't to come through with anything, merely promising change was enough.

Once you've got your feet under the table you can wax lyrical by exactly what you meant as opposed to what you said.

I do find the entire "The elections rigged! The elections rigged! Oh s**t I won! A FINE election system! The greatest on earth!" That s**ts just funny (among other things (duplicitous, insurrectionist, possibly boarder line treason) Good thing for him he won.)

[Huntress]

Well, bad news to us neighbors in the north. Trump wants to rip up NAFTA- which would mean more expensive groceries. Yay, more food inflation! And what really isn't funny is when the results came out, the Canadian Immigration website crashed from all the activity. Not good. Sure, we're welcoming and all that, but just because more people arrive doesn't mean more jobs will be created. But it is kind of funny that Americans are willing to brave our winters to escape Trump.

Sometimes the news shows that a couple of states get a like two inches of snow and they shut down schools and roads. And you want to move to Canada where getting half a foot of snow at one time is no big deal? Hilarious.

I do find the entire "The elections rigged! The elections rigged! Oh s**t I won! A FINE election system! The greatest on earth!" That s**ts just funny (among other things (duplicitous, insurrectionist, possibly boarder line treason) Good thing for him he won.)

The only way I can react to him is like this.

[UK_Eliter]

Huntress: being rather cold and having no job may be less bad than being seriously harassed and/or having your legal rights diluted or removed; and it is reasonable for some people in the United States (immigrants, non-whites, non-straights, and perhaps also Democrats and intellectuals) to fear that the latter things might happen to them. But I apologise for having stomped on and totally obliterated your admirable attempt to lighten the tone!

PS: There's a BBC documentary (not available easily to those outside the - increasingly mis-named - United Kingdom) on Trump; I'm finding it somewhat illumination. [EDIT: It's fairly short, though.] [Further edit: perhaps especially black people. The amount of police killings in the US, and the lack of accountability . . Jesus Christ.]

[Huntress]

Well, trying to be humorous is much better than dwelling on the things that can possibly go wrong. Civil war, etc. But I just get so sick having to watch him every single night on the news. My mom always switches the channel when he comes on. I just can't stand what he says. At best he's contradictory, and everything about him just drives me nuts! And he hasn't even been sworn in yet. And we have FOUR YEARS TO PUT UP WITH HIM?!?!?!?! What has this world come to.

[Cody]

And we have FOUR YEARS TO PUT UP WITH HIM?!?!?!?!

<chuckles> Cheer up - it could be eight years!

[UK_Eliter]

Yeah, thanks for that, Cody . .

[Huntress]

You really want to give us nightmares, don't you?

[Anonymissimus]

Well, it can be less than 4 too.
A few presidents resigned. This one may fail. Others were shot. And there's the impeachment, which would likely require successful mid-term elections for the democrats. More often the opposition wins than not.

[ClymAngus]

I'm sure that despite being 70 and the oldest elected president ever....he will receive the very best health care in order to counterbalance the extreme stresses that job has to offer...
Think a happy thought.

[Alex]

OH.. Come on. Your talking about a nation that voted in a washed up cowboy actor! What's so surprising that a bad hair cut bought it?
And before casting stones, think Thatcher. For any one that wasn't in her circle.

Mad dogs and englishWoman...

Reference for UK Ooliters

Still don't know what outsiders looking in thought.

[ClymAngus]

I have been trying, (after getting into one or two arguments on other forums about this) to become a little more philosophical about this entire undertaking. I mean as long as it doesn't end in thermo nuclear war (in which case a bad hair cut is going to be the last thing on anyone's mind) all that can really happen is a hell of a lot of suffering for lots and lots of people. In which case when the mid terms roll around chances are things could change.

Obama care gets scrapped: A lot of poor people die (but the relatives live on to remember and vote accordingly)
A stack of trade deals get thrown on the fire: The cost of imports go up without the local infrastructure to replace them.
The government gets cosy with the banks: More deregulation and they start playing fast and loose with other peoples money and sniff around for payouts when the whole thing tanks.

This is the problem with good for some bad for most politics; it's all gin and hookers for a few people up until that pesky one man one vote thing rears it's ugly head again.

A lot of people (around the world) have gotten a little complacent. Now they've got a ring side seat for the rollercoaster and if there's one thing I know about humanity; they HATE loosing things they feel they're entitled to. To be honest, we can all sit around wringing our hands and wailing as much as we like.... This train is running now. We'll see where it goes.

[Cody]

A big day in the land of E pluribus unum.

[Smivs]

Indeed, and for the rest of us as well inevitably.
I have to say I was amused to learn that Trump's team had requested a big military parade of tanks and missile launchers etc, but the military said 'No' as they thought it might send the wrong message. Methinks they actually sent a message to Trump that he would do well to heed.

[Smivs]

Donald Trump’s team cannot find the light switches to the cabinet room in which they conduct their meetings, and have to speak in the dark and feel their way out of the room.