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Wildeblood wrote:

No offense, people, but an ice processor or anything else that turns plain water into fuel, money or anything else useful is the lamest idea ever. The only thing an ice processor OXP should do is improve the efficiency of beer chilling if you also have the beer cooler OXP. Why can't these ice asteroids just be, you know, ice.

DaddyHoggy wrote:

You obviously haven't read the rest of the thread or you wouldn't have jumped in with both feet.

Wildeblood wrote:

DaddyHoggy wrote:

You obviously haven't read the rest of the thread or you wouldn't have jumped in with both feet.

I can assure you that I have read it all. I'm sorry if you found one of my several posts in this thread offensive, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

DaddyHoggy wrote:

Wildeblood wrote:

DaddyHoggy wrote:

You obviously haven't read the rest of the thread or you wouldn't have jumped in with both feet.

I can assure you that I have read it all. I'm sorry if you found one of my several posts in this thread offensive, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

No problems - I had just assumed, since you were talking about "plain water" and several posts specifically talked about "minerals" and gas extraction - you had missed something.

I think calling anybody's suggestion "lame" is perhaps a little harsh/rude (wouldn't say offensive) - feel free to say "not for me", "doesn't fit my Ooniverse" etc, but all ideas are welcome and open for discussion.

Many an oxp has been born from what initially appears to be a completely oddball idea.

I wouldn't want anybody to think they couldn't post an idea here for fear of being ridiculed. We're not that kind of Forum.

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Who knows what one idea seen by one person, twisted/modified in a different way as a return suggestion and then seen by a third person who sees a part of it that can apply to the oxp they are currently working on can do. I get as much inspiration as the kooky suggestions I give might inspire others.

SandJ wrote:

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Who knows what one idea seen by one person, twisted/modified in a different way as a return suggestion and then seen by a third person who sees a part of it that can apply to the oxp they are currently working on can do. I get as much inspiration as the kooky suggestions I give might inspire others.

Saeed : "Well, I want a bishop."
Arash : "A bishop? What? Well, only if it goes diagonally. To maintain balance."
Saeed : "Diagonally? FFS, what are you about? Well, if my bishop can only go diagonally, your stupid 'whizzy castle' thing can only go up and down."
Habibeh: "When you two boys have quite finished, I have decided I am going to have a horsie."
Saeed : "A HORSIE? Who said you could play anyway, eh?"
Habibeh: "Mum said to tell you I could play too."
Arash : "OK then. But your 'horsie' has to go two spaces one way and one space another."
Habibeh: "MUM! They're not playing nicely!"

And that's exactly how it happened.

Probably.

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Without it scooping an ice splinter would have minor negative consequences such as taking up cargo space, can't be jettisoned because the cargo jettison system is only designed for cargo cannisters and ...

Staer9 wrote:

New significant update, now with Ice boulders!

		"staer9_rock1+2_template" =
			{
				is_template = 1;
				ai_type = "dumbAI.plist";
				bounty = 10;
				debris_role = "ice_boulder";
				cargo_type = "CARGO_NOT_CARGO";
				energy_recharge_rate = 0;
				debris_role = "staer9_boulder";		

Micha wrote:

CommonSenseOTB wrote:

Without it scooping an ice splinter would have minor negative consequences such as taking up cargo space, can't be jettisoned because the cargo jettison system is only designed for cargo cannisters and ...

Oh really? So how come I can jettison standard asteroid splinters?

Wildeblood wrote:

Staer9 wrote:

New significant update, now with Ice boulders!

Thank you.

The first entry in the shipdata file has a redundant debris role key.

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		"staer9_rock1+2_template" =
			{
				is_template = 1;
				ai_type = "dumbAI.plist";
				bounty = 10;
				debris_role = "ice_boulder";
				cargo_type = "CARGO_NOT_CARGO";
				energy_recharge_rate = 0;
				debris_role = "staer9_boulder";		

Eric Walch wrote:

snork wrote:

The other thing : Maybe add a notice - but in which page(s) ? - in the wiki about incompatability with the icesteroids oxp ?
Icesteroids crack into ice-boulders, and those into 2nd-generation-ice-boulders - when I shoot the latter they usually just go "pouf", but sometimes an already-processed alloy remains (scarred metal fragment).
I am not sure if these alloys come from some strange interaction with oreprocessor, or are based in the icesteroids oxp itself ...

I just downloaded this oxp to see if it can be implemented in ore_processor. But icesteroids oxp has no special splinters defined, so it can't be an incompatibility with ore_processor. It is a bug in icesteroids itself. It uses a circular reference that defines boulders as being the debris of boulders. Only when boulders explode, oolite gives the result a scanclass of cargo so they can be scooped. That means the second generation boulders are no longer rock but cargo and if they are massive, cargo can result in metal pieces.

I have not tried it, but I assume you can scoop the second generation of boulders

Eric Walch wrote:

Thanks maik for linking it to the correct topic.

I now tried scooping them, but that does not work. The circular reference is because the asteroids have a debris-role of boulders. And the boulders inherit this same role because of the like_ship relation to the asteroids. There should be a new defined debris-role in the boulders that defines splinters.