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That`s cool! I am happy that it is working now for you. I am under the impression that this one big OXP runs faster than seventy small ones, but this might be a wild guess on my part and competely wrong. So, happy with it now?v.3.0 looks a lot better... I even had one system that had more than one page of ships available! (which is unprecedented up your OXP , thus far)
Hm, just anything that is in the shipdata stats list in Lave`s TL region (this list is included in the OXP and now also on the wiki - I think bulrush posted it there). For example Asp Explorers, Chameleon, Dragon Assault Craft, Icarus, Kukri Dragsters, Pythons, Taipans, Zorg Racing Sidewinder and others. It depends if you have the Lave.oxp installed - I think it changes the TL of the Lave system.As a reference point, what would a green Jameson at Lave expect to see in the shipyard?
They are fixed.Are the prices quoted in the table in the documentation average prices or fixed prices?
Well, this was the whole starting point and still is the centerpiece of the OXP: You pay essentially what you get. To make everything comparable, there had to be one guideline that would completely impartial determine a ship`s worth from its stats. There is not a lot of room to play around with that, otherwise it could easily become some kind of cheat mode with which it would become more lucrative to buy and sell ships than to trade commodities or do missions.If they are fixed, why so?
What I find interesting about the idea is that there could be occasions for especially cheap ships and especially expensive buyers (like your fat emperor guy with the midlife crisisWe are traders, it would be more of a challenge if there was a price range. That way we could keep an eye out for bargains. The ships we fly could then become tradable commodities too.
Buy a cheap throwaway Asp at a high tech system and make a killing selling it at a desperate low tech system. Or buy the high spec fighter that a low tech dealer can't shift to the huddled masses, and sell it for a fat profit to some middle-aged fat-cat going through a mid-life crisis, at a tech 15 planet.
), similar to an idea that was tossed around about something like that with the commodity market (i.e., a planet has a medical crisis and needs Narcotica desperate, so they are now legal there and you can sell them for 110 Cr/ton). But I would make this rather the exception than the norm, why, well see above. Why not?Lestradae wrote:this was the whole starting point and still is the centerpiece of the OXP: You pay essentially what you get. To make everything comparable, there had to be one guideline that would completely impartial determine a ship`s worth from its stats. There is not a lot of room to play around with that
I would have no problem with something in that variable span.it would be reasonable to assume vessels costing hundreds of thousands might vary by 1 - 2% between different systems (depending on the economic/tech/polical system)
Sorry, I aint no OXP'r, so I was prolly thinking way too simplistically. I just read your description on the pricing mechanism (base price +/- equipment multipliers), and thought it wouldn't be difficult to add a multiplier something like (tech level*RND function), so as to give a small variance base on the system and a small random variance.Lestradae wrote:I have no idea if and how prices could be varied for the same ship
And I am not a great scripter. Two months ago, I couldn`t do it at all. I just took the (rather simplistic) ball of an idea I had (with the help of a lot of feedback from posters in the forums here) and ran much farther with it than I tought I would. I have no idea how to put a variance into ship prices, I don`t even know if it is possible at all.Sorry, I aint no OXP'r, so I was prolly thinking way too simplistically.
Then it might amuse you to hear that the values were calculated by hand and entered into the shipyard.plist by hand. The formula was and is used - but outside the game!I just read your description on the pricing mechanism (base price +/- equipment multipliers), and thought it wouldn't be difficult to add a multiplier something like (tech level*RND function), so as to give a small variance base on the system and a small random variance.
You have to lobby Ahruman for that, not me. And, Ahruman is not one who is easy to lobbyThe 25% buying penalty is a different matter. Perhaps we could lobby for a accumulative depreciation penalty... 0.5% delivery depreciation for the first couple jumps, 1% per jump for the next ten jumps, then 0.25% per jump up to a maximum of 25%
I'm on a night shift atm, might sneak a bit of game time when it gets quiet after midnight (might even play using work's shiny new interactive whiteboard).Lestradae wrote:Does the OXP in its V3.0 now work OK for you? Performance working with all in?
Sound's fancy, I bet it is on a supermac. Now anyway, I really like this oxp, as I said before. But what would be really neat if rock hermits had a shipyard that sold "pirate addition" ships. Like blackdogs, renegade stuff (just faster, maby less cargo, better for fighting), and stuff with a skull and cross bonesWith desperate, suspicious sellers, exe.Commander Mysenses wrote:I'm on a night shift atm, might sneak a bit of game time when it gets quiet after midnight (might even play using work's shiny new interactive whiteboard).Lestradae wrote:Does the OXP in its V3.0 now work OK for you? Performance working with all in?
Well, you would have to ask the author of the Rock Hermit OXP to implement something like that - in principle, it could be done.But what would be really neat if rock hermits had a shipyard that sold "pirate addition" ships. Like blackdogs, renegade stuff (just faster, maby less cargo, better for fighting), and stuff with a skull and cross bonesWith desperate, suspicious sellers, exe.
I`m sorry, but that`s near impossible without actually making or utilising another station model, and the point of this station is that it is an alternate shipyard, which says so on the hull, has ships all around and looks the part.Oh, and the parts and shipyard station is really flashy, and make's my game lag really bad, mind making it a little less, erm, fancy?
They shall provide you with many abilities some consider unnatural!Lestradae, I pelage myself, to your teachings.
So, How-To remove the SIRF-Shipyards:Just please, tell me how to remove that Darn station thing.
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<key>universalX</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>conditions</key>
<array>
<string>status_string equal STATUS_EXITING_WITCHSPACE</string>
<string>systemTechLevel_number equal X</string>
<string>pseudoFixedD100_number lessthan 30</string>
</array>
<key>do</key>
<array>
<string>addSystemShips: SIRF-YARDX 1 1.0</string>
</array>
</dict>
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<string>pseudoFixedD100_number lessthan 1</string>Darth Neblin: RIIISE!And Give me a cool title!
You can now make shipyards disappear, Darth Neblin. May the farce be with you, always.And super powers!
Oh yes indeed! I noticed that on the page:and 2 tasks!
If you want to eliminate them completely, this should beLestradae wrote:7. Change for all 15 similar entries the following line:
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<string>pseudoFixedD100_number lessthan 30</string>
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<string>pseudoFixedD100_number lessthan 0</string>Yep, you`re right! I was not sure if the span ran from 1 to 100 or from 0 to 99, but as the latter is usually the case with Oolite, better 0 than 1.If you want to eliminate them completely, this should be
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It would, but isn`t.If the script.plist doesn't do anything else than adding the SIRFYard (which I don't know), wouldn't it be the easier and cleaner solution to delete it altogether?