Oolite Bulletins

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:32 pm

Version 0.0.0.0.0.0.93 is now out!

Featuring tricolour trialogues (thanks to Phkb (mighty master of mysterous matters involving unending equalization) & Slartibartfast), a rapid return to the F4 screen (thanks to Montana05 & Phkb) and a butchered batrachian confabulation (thanks to Slartibartfast).

Those were good moves. Now one can overdose on hints.

My only issue now is the framing of the text in relation to the image, and, eh the image. If you want, I could throw together some visual suggestions this weekend that won't be cafeteria bright and should make the text placement more forgiving. –If that's something you would be open to..

Old Murgh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:14 pm

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:32 pm

Version 0.0.0.0.0.0.93 is now out!

Featuring tricolour trialogues (thanks to Phkb (mighty master of mysterous matters involving unending equalization) & Slartibartfast), a rapid return to the F4 screen (thanks to Montana05 & Phkb) and a butchered batrachian confabulation (thanks to Slartibartfast).

Those were good moves. Now one can overdose on hints.

My only issue now is the framing of the text in relation to the image, and, eh the image. If you want, I could throw together some visual suggestions this weekend that won't be cafeteria bright and should make the text placement more forgiving. –If that's something you would be open to..

Be delighted, thank you...

So do I understand that your auspicious Apple download works with palpitating perfection? That this is just a problem just for those poor benighted souls stuck with windows/linux?

I tried downloading by Expansion Manager (worked) and by clicking on the icon on the OXZ list page on oolite.org (worked).

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:20 pm

Be delighted, thank you...

You're welcome, well, if you like it.

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:20 pm

So do I understand that your auspicious Apple download works with palpitating perfection? That this is just a problem just for those poor benighted souls stuck with windows/linux?

I tried downloading by Expansion Manager (worked) and by clicking on the icon on the OXZ list page on oolite.org (worked).

I did that. Then, when going back to the game I got an alert that Hints didn't load because it was identical to the previous or something. I quit, threw out the old one, and then all was fine.

It might be that I downloaded the previous one manually from the wiki, so that an update function had a hard time doing its job, difficult to say.

Old Murgh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:28 pm

It might be that I downloaded the previous one manually from the wiki...

Was that in your AddOns folder? I think they take precedence over managed expansions.

Cody wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:13 pm

Was that in your AddOns folder? I think they take precedence over managed expansions.

No, since it was oxz I put it in the Managed AddOns. But even if I placed it manually, the file name should be identical, so I wouldn't have thought it made any difference.

Old Murgh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:16 pm

No, since it was oxz I put it in the Managed AddOns.

You probably know this, but OXZs work fine in the AddOns folder.

Cody wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:20 pm

You probably know this, but OXZs work fine in the AddOns folder.

No I didn't. I never thought to make that experiment. No matter, I will continue to keep a strict regime of separation.

Hello "Old Murgh"

i think the idea is to put the addons, that are managed by the addon manager,
into "managed addons" ( which are [afaik] only oxz )

and addons, that are not managed, into the "addon" folder ( which could be oxp or oxz )

matthias

i

@Cholmondely
..just updated

looks nice
and "return" instead of "press space" ... much better

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please don't punish me
but i have an idea
- background
it seems too easy for me that, one can go the a bar
and get all the informations he needs by entering the bar again and again

possible solution: ( example)
docking at space station
- entering the bar first time
- > get one hint
- entering the same bar a 2nd time
-> barkeeper comes and whispers "some of my guests don´t like people, which are too curious"
- entering the 3rd time
-> barkeeper - "i have warned you!"
-> strange things happens to your ship

matthias

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:22 am

i

@Cholmondely
..just updated

looks nice
and "return" instead of "press space" ... much better

------------
please don't punish me
but i have an idea
- background
it seems too easy for me that, one can go the a bar
and get all the informations he needs by entering the bar again and again

possible solution: ( example)
docking at space station
- entering the bar first time
- > get one hint
- entering the same bar a 2nd time
-> barkeeper comes and whispers "some of my guests don´t like people, which are too curious"
- entering the 3rd time
-> barkeeper - "i have warned you!"
-> strange things happens to your ship

matthias

Very nice! I like it. But I don't (yet) have the skills to do any of it...

But, Matthias, have you tried Life in the Frontier? If you use it enough (I saw it at Lave - some of the events are system dependent), there is a scene where you see some Vakume Danserz hoodlums defacing a corridor - are presented with a choice - and might then see some nasty things happening to your ship...

I was hoping to introduce something much more prosaic - a bill for the drinks! But the programming is currently beyond my abilities (although LittleBear provided some code on the first page of the related Education thread). Your idea is nicely immersive, though.

I don’t think you need to have the barman whisper a warning at you. Simply have it so that subsequent visits to the bar give you a response like, “You don’t overhear anything of value”, or even just go for a random ambience thing, like “The bar area is quiet at the moment, with only a couple of patrons lingering over their drinks.” A timer could be set, so that if you return in an hour (for example) you can get a new hint, but until that time expires you just get the ambience message.

I have an aversion to game logic that punishes the player when they’re doing something normal. Visiting a bar multiple times sounds normal to me!

So I was thinking about this, and originally decided that the hassle of navigating several screens (which I didn't know then how to fix) was a sufficient deterrant, and would last until I worked out how to charge for the drinks.

But since several people preferred otherwise - and more crucially because this oxp is designed to help new players - I decided to follow the expressed preferences for change. It's up to the player how many hints can be coped with at one sitting, so to speak!

I do want to add in a charge for the drinks, and would also like to add in Matthias' suggestion (as a random possibility) at some stage in the future, but am happy with it as it stands (presuming that cbr can download it without needing to invoke the Witchspace Lobster). Ditto with “You don’t overhear anything of value” & “The bar area is quiet at the moment, with only a couple of patrons lingering over their drinks". Ideally (if I had the skills) I'd like to work these into a choice of bars and have different things going on in each (for better immersion... and also, as mentioned previously, work it all into Life in the Frontier). I don't have too much experience of bars/pubs so am reliant on tips such as those above.


For the moment, I need to carry on sorting out the F3 page and also want to "post" the rest of Killer Wolf's oxp's: https://app.box.com/s/m2jw4wo5fdjzu3b30ma4hg9fofypgudo (currently stuck on tweaks for his Generic HUD)

Random Hits grabs a little of the player's credits for a drink after docking (so it's not a cleverly-disguised automatic docking fee as far as I know).
Even gives you something for 'free' if you're really broke.

hi

phkb wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:12 am

Visiting a bar multiple times sounds normal to me!

yes
but if i enter and leave the bar in my neighborhood 10 times in 5 minutes
...they will call the friendly doctor

matthias

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:20 pm

... but if i enter and leave the bar in my neighborhood 10 times in 5 minutes
...they will call the friendly doctor

Or the local plod!