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Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:50 am
by ClymAngus
spud42 wrote:
i read a letter that was supposed to be from Palmer on facebook today.

He is blaming his guides, says he did it all legal and relied on the guides. Permits paid etc....

not saying i agree with this or with hunting in general but there are always at least 2 sides to a story and so far we only have the one side.....

It is possible that for a quick payoff the guides took an easy option.....
That's fair but I would retort by saying if you strip everything else away from this, all the morality, the emotion, pain and loss. He is possibly the WORST hunter I've ever seen, heard of or read about. Using a crossbow on a lion? Really? They don't have the velocity to do the necessary internal damage to kill the animal outright, on what 85-90% of the animal? Your talking heart or brain anywhere else and that animals going to suffer. And it did, for two straight days. The fact remains he's bad at killing cleanly and humanely. He can't even pick the right tool for the job!

Now some people aren't going to like this next bit but, on the farm we shot vermin and animals sometimes needed dispatching if they were sick or for food. We didn't impale them then throw them in a hedge for a day or two. Quick and clean. No suffering. On several fundamental levels this dude failed. He failed to do his homework, he failed to check the permits, he failed to hunt in a professional way.

I pray he's a better dentist.

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:37 pm
by Diziet Sma
ClymAngus wrote:
<insert badge, medal, tiny metal cup, shield or other such physical manifestation of an accolade you do have respect for; here>
The Darwin Awards, of course.. :mrgreen:

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:52 pm
by Cody
I thought it was a crossbow at first, but think it was actually a bow and arrow - there's a pic somewhere with him by a rhino, and that is a serious bow (I think) he has.
He also has previous, for killing a bear outside of a hunting zone in the US. My personal opinion of him, and other trophy hunters? <spits>

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:29 pm
by Layne
ClymAngus wrote:
I pray he's a better dentist.
Not to worry. I expect as a dentist, he kills 'em quick and clean.

I'll polish 'em off.

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:57 pm
by Smivs
Layne wrote:
ClymAngus wrote:
I pray he's a better dentist.
Not to worry. I expect as a dentist, he kills 'em quick and clean.

I'll polish 'em off.
He's got plaque on the wall to prove it!

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:53 am
by spud42
ClymAngus wrote:
spud42 wrote:
i read a letter that was supposed to be from Palmer on facebook today.

He is blaming his guides, says he did it all legal and relied on the guides. Permits paid etc....

not saying i agree with this or with hunting in general but there are always at least 2 sides to a story and so far we only have the one side.....

It is possible that for a quick payoff the guides took an easy option.....
That's fair but I would retort by saying if you strip everything else away from this, all the morality, the emotion, pain and loss. He is possibly the WORST hunter I've ever seen, heard of or read about. Using a crossbow on a lion? Really? They don't have the velocity to do the necessary internal damage to kill the animal outright, on what 85-90% of the animal? Your talking heart or brain anywhere else and that animals going to suffer. And it did, for two straight days. The fact remains he's bad at killing cleanly and humanely. He can't even pick the right tool for the job!

Now some people aren't going to like this next bit but, on the farm we shot vermin and animals sometimes needed dispatching if they were sick or for food. We didn't impale them then throw them in a hedge for a day or two. Quick and clean. No suffering. On several fundamental levels this dude failed. He failed to do his homework, he failed to check the permits, he failed to hunt in a professional way.

I pray he's a better dentist.
i agree he is negligent in not double checking etc and a por shot.

I did sport archery for many years with a compound bow.. never hunted anything other than cardboard targets, though i did try foam 3D targets once but didnt like it......it really is a fun sport and like golf and other solo sports if you miss the target you have no one to blame but yourself..

with a bow if he was close enough to see the lion for a shot then he should have been able to see the collar. if not he should not have shot.

i personally think he is a jerk , all i was trying to say is i prefer to reserve my judgment till i have both sides of the story.

Re: Walter Palmer, Richard Dawkins

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:06 pm
by ClymAngus
That's cool. You can never have too many perspectives but perspectives are subjective. The evidence suggests at best a deep incompetence, at worst a sadistic mind.