New range of turrets

[Wildeblood]

See for example the seedy space bar in RandomHits. The thrust is also an important parameter for turrets. For turrets, this shipkey is misused to set a rotation speed. I remember the turrets in the seedy space bar being quite jumpy. By lowering the original high thrust values from Little bear, their movement became much more realistic.

Useful information, thanks Eric. I really dislike the way turrets jitter about, and have removed them completely from the Black Monks' monastery for that reason.

[Smivs]

BTW - that WonderWorm looks like a challenge to shoot down...really small and firing that many turrets at the player would surely result in instant death?!

As far as I know, nobody has ever managed to kill an NPC Wonderworm (except Okti who cheated managed this by using 'special equipment'. Apparently three Energy Bombs and a full blast of Military Lasers is all it takes!

[Pleb]

As far as I know, nobody has ever managed to kill an NPC Wonderworm (except Okti who cheated managed this by using 'special equipment'. Apparently three Energy Bombs and a full blast of Military Lasers is all it takes!

What about a Nova Bomb?

[Smivs]

As far as I know, nobody has ever managed to kill an NPC Wonderworm (except Okti who cheated managed this by using 'special equipment'. Apparently three Energy Bombs and a full blast of Military Lasers is all it takes!

What about a Nova Bomb?

Try it...it might work Mind you, they are jump-capable, and of course coming from the future they probably know what you are going to do anyway.

[Shipbuilder]

Thanks for the feedback gents I'll look in to all of this when I have finished the ship I am currently working on and probably issue 2 or 3 turrets to get the ball rolling.

[Smivs]

...and probably issue 2 or 3 turrets to get the ball rolling.

<Smivs thinks there is a pun hiding in there somewhere >

[SandJ]

...and probably issue 2 or 3 turrets to get the ball rolling.

<Smivs thinks there is a pun hiding in there somewhere >

It would probably be something poor and to do with ball bearings.

Talking of which, did you hear about the new, better, mousetrap? The Ball Bearing Mouse Catcher?

[Fatleaf]

As far as I know, nobody has ever managed to kill an NPC Wonderworm (except Okti who cheated managed this by using 'special equipment'. Apparently three Energy Bombs and a full blast of Military Lasers is all it takes!

>Chough< You must have forgotten the two I baged in my S9 (did I ever say I love that ship!) during the final testing

Takes a long time four military lasers and a full tank of injecting juice! I was also firing some heavy DU rounds at it but not sure I even got one hit with them.

[Smivs]

Ha, yes, must have forgotten. Sorry
I know the closest I came was a titanic battle that lasted almost an hour, and I'd actually got the bugger throwing sparks when my fuel ran out He just legged it and was never seen again.

[CommonSenseOTB]

Thanks for the feedback gents I'll look in to all of this when I have finished the ship I am currently working on and probably issue 2 or 3 turrets to get the ball rolling.

This is a great idea to have different turret models Shipbuilder. I have a recommendation/request for the implimentation of this. 4 models of turrets each with a different size. These would be sized suitable for placement on the ship's normal weapon position where the laser would normally be. 1 to 3 would be suitable for use on the regular ships and number 4 would be for capital class sized ships. If you make the models I will eventually have a use for them.

And if you wanted to make a quad mount turret like that used for the millenium falcon on star wars, well, I would be very interested in that as well.

[Shipbuilder]

I have a little bit of work to do in order to get my next ship OXP ship issued but this should be ready within a week or so. Once done however I plan to look at producing the first batch of turrets. It will probably be something that I will also come back to between larger projects from time to time in prder to extend the range.

@ Commonsense - Regarding the quad mount turret are you looking basically for that particular turret or just a turret based on similar principles ?

Regarding the different size turrets I'll have a think. I may provide different sizes or alternatively may produce a 'standard' size turret and include a model size converter in the oxp.

[CommonSenseOTB]

I have a little bit of work to do in order to get my next ship OXP ship issued but this should be ready within a week or so. Once done however I plan to look at producing the first batch of turrets. It will probably be something that I will also come back to between larger projects from time to time in prder to extend the range.

@ Commonsense - Regarding the quad mount turret are you looking basically for that particular turret or just a turret based on similar principles ?

Regarding the different size turrets I'll have a think. I may provide different sizes or alternatively may produce a 'standard' size turret and include a model size converter in the oxp.

I was thinking it would be an interesting challenge to make a working quad turret that looked and acted just like the star wars one but with very limited range. It would have to be sized big enough to actually see that an npc has one and would fire custom mock-up lasers(x4) in groups of 2. It would be the cherry on the cake to get that one working.

About the sizes of turrets, the smaller size should be an indicator of less damage/range/or capability than the bigger ones. If they look good in all sizes then the same model scaled up or down in size could be used. Just be aware that for looks, they should look good attatched to large freighters like pythons or smaller fighter-traders like the cobras1's and 3's and when positioned at or near the normal weapon position should also look good for size relative to the ship. The stock ballturret is a little big for normal ships so that size would be appropriate for capital ships and normal ships would therefore need turrets smaller than that.

I'm sure whatever you come up with will be very cool and many in the commoonity will find a use for them.

[sdrubble]

Hi Shipbuilder,

I'm replying on this thread a bit late, but perhaps you might take a look on how the turrets have been implemented in The Dark Rainbow.

The DR's implementation demonstrates some of the concepts discussed in this thread - different textures, different rates of fire, different sizes, and also the stationary+rotating combo mentioned by Eric Walch.

Most, but not all of these features, are inherited from the NeoCaduceus OXP.

Oh, and BTW - the DR's shipdata.plist is coded in some pre-historic fashion whose official naming I can't remember right now.

Cheers

[Shipbuilder]

Thanks sdrubble I'll have a look at this in the near future.

[Shipbuilder]

Just for clarification: there is not really a "standard" turret, because none of the original ships have turrets. The first ships that had turrets were the Behemoth, from Aegidian's equally named OXP, and the Military Station, also from Aegidian (not sure which came earlier).

Many ship designers added turrets to their creations afterwards, and many of them did so by using the model by Aegidian. However, many of them forgot to actually include the model and textures in their ship OXPs, thus their ships only got turrets if the player happened to have Behemoth.oxp installed as well. Because this was a common mistake, at some point it was decided to include Aegidian's ballturret in the Oolite distribution as a courtesy for lazy/confused ship designers.

This doesn't mean that it's the only existing turret, though. In fact, a couple of alternative turret designs have come up over the years, for instance the thargoid turret from Thargorn_Threat.oxp, which is also used (in a magnified design) on the Thargoid Carrier. There's also the turrets for Seedy Space Bars and Black Monk Monasteries, to name a few.

Does anyone know the size of Aegidian's ballturret included in the Oolite distribution ?