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Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:18 pm
by Selezen
There seem to be a lot of polls at the moment, and about a lot of things that are really down to player's choices.
Oolite is a customisable game. You customise it to how YOU want to play. If you want to share that, then share it, but there is NO way to make EVERYONE happy, so there's no point trying.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:42 pm
by Thargoid
DaddyHoggy wrote:Given you can edit your Save Game to give yourself uber credits, that doesn't actually make any difference. If you're going to cheat make your game easier, why stop with just waiting to buy the equipment when you can edit your save game to give yourself a generous dead uncle...
Or perhaps just become the 646th download of ooCheat.oxp?
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:45 pm
by Dragonfire
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with editing the save file. Seriously, who starts a career with only $100??
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:53 pm
by another_commander
Dragonfire wrote:Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with editing the save file. Seriously, who starts a career with only $100??
Oh, but there is something wrong. Every time you edit your save file, kittens suffer. Don't do it.
Seriously, sometimes I think we should just switch the save file format to binary and be done with it. It's a very simple change in the code to do that. Ain't gonna happen, but the temptation is too strong sometimes...
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:55 pm
by Wyvern Mommy
Dragonfire wrote:Seriously, who starts a career with only $100??
i did actually. and i found it easier than i anticipated. along the way i used some OXPs, and exploited small gaps in them. is that cheating? some might call it that.
i see it this way: when gaps like that exist in real life, someone will exploit them. why should it be different in the future?
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:57 pm
by Cmd. Cheyd
Dragonfire wrote:Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with editing the save file. Seriously, who starts a career with only $100??
I know I don't. I start with $0. Yep... No cash. And no fuel. And no missiles so I can't sell one to get fuel or money. And in an Adder. And I delete the save game and start over at that EVERY TIME I get killed.
Iron Adder games - Gotta love 'em.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:59 pm
by Dragonfire
Kudos for that.
Yeah, I'm dropping below a million for my cash, I think. It is time I started having to deal w/ that aspect more, now that my efficiency and aim are improving.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:01 pm
by Gimi
Dragonfire wrote:Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with editing the save file. Seriously, who starts a career with only $100??
I would suspect that most players here who started out playing the original Elite on whatever platform and came to Oolite later actually start out with the 100 Credits in Oolite. I know I did.
However I do have a save-game with millions and millions of credits that I use for testing the really expensive stuff. Made it when there was a version of trunk with a small multiplying bug
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Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:02 pm
by Okti
another_commander wrote:
Oh, but there is something wrong. Every time you edit your save file, kittens suffer. Don't do it.
Seriously, sometimes I think we should just switch the save file format to binary and be done with it. It's a very simple change in the code to do that. Ain't gonna happen, but the temptation is too strong sometimes...
Go for it mate
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:02 pm
by Smivs
We all start with 100Cr, and a Mk III Cobra. What you do with all that is up to you.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:03 pm
by Switeck
another_commander wrote:Seriously, sometimes I think we should just switch the save file format to binary and be done with it. It's a very simple change in the code to do that. Ain't gonna happen, but the temptation is too strong sometimes...
Some of us have had to hack their savegames due to problems/bugs...typically with OXPs.
If I want to cheat, an OXP that gives the player lots of credits is trivial...as Thargoid has made.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:07 pm
by Okti
Revert to your last save then, if not playing with out save files
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:20 pm
by Eldon
Simply put, a dollar is worth a lot less than a credit. How much food can you buy for $2.80? A ton? I don't think so. Think of it more as 1 Credit=$100 and you'll be closer to the mark. You also start with 3 missiles worth 30 credits each, and you can sell them back to add 70 credits to your ready cash. Also remember that you have a nice shiny space ship (trade in value a little over 100k credits, so more than that when you bought it).
In today's terms you start as a multi-millionaire with about $10,000 ready cash.
If you still want to edit the save file, go ahead. (I have a comander I use for testing with 100 mil in the bank.) Those early runs, working out how you can buy your Iron ass can be some of the most fun though, and you'll miss them.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:25 pm
by Smivs
Hacked saves are a valuable aid to OXP makers, and indeed some OXPs make good use of them. I wouldn't want to see this ability removed.
Re: Clearing Up a Debate Once and For All
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:26 pm
by DaddyHoggy
Eldon wrote:Simply put, a dollar is worth a lot less than a credit. How much food can you buy for $2.80? A ton? I don't think so. Think of it more as 1 Credit=$100 and you'll be closer to the mark. You also start with 3 missiles worth 30 credits each, and you can sell them back to add 70 credits to your ready cash. Also remember that you have a nice shiny space ship (trade in value a little over 100k credits, so more than that when you bought it).
In today's terms you start as a multi-millionaire with about $10,000 ready cash.
If you still want to edit the save file, go ahead. (I have a comander I use for testing with 100 mil in the bank.) Those early runs, working out how you can buy your Iron ass can be some of the most fun though, and you'll miss them.
On the forum somewhere is the calculation I did based on the value of gold (since we can assume an Oolite 'g' is the same as a RL(tm) 'g') - Credits are worth quite a lot...
Edit: Found it here:
https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=118871