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What will be the effect on the .oxp's which introduce new key-press combinations?

Camera Drones
n + v

Galactic Hyperdrive OXP
F6 + F6 + F6 - view of next galaxy with destinations marked

New Cargoes (original version)
F8+F8+F8 or F2 + F8 - access to menu

Okti's Long Range Scanner
F6 + F6 + F5 - access to Scanner menu

OXP Config
F2 + F7 - access to menu

Stranger's Planet Land (on landing)
F3 + F7 - view of port
F4 + F7 - view of port terminal
F5 + F7 - view of planet/moon landscape
F8 + F7 - view of city/station
F6 + F7 - system data screen

Are there any other OXP's I've missed?

Hello

-- Keyboard / Linux(Ubuntu)

Because i didn't know how Oolite "reads" the keyboard - i made a short test.
--> short bash-script -- this maps space onto the Capslock-key

then started Oolite
on the entrance screen -- i chose "View Ship Library" -> ( "press space to leave " )
-- i pressed "Capslock" instead -> works

2nd test: result -> ωωωωω ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

-- so something like this should be possible
----- "Quirium-Mine" reacts on "ω" / Energy-Bomb on "Ω" / means "Capslock" or "Shift Capslock"
----- ---- if Oolite has Omega in his "namespace"

=> https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Xmodmap/
sorry -- only german - but i think there is an english side anywhere


matthias

is it possible to add in something to configure the damping/precision control? i'm still finding the ship handling awful compared to how the Beeb ship responded, the damping should - IMHO - be both different for ships of varying sizes and agilities, and configurable by a pilot, the way cars can be remapped and adjusted to improve handling. a search lead me to the Ctrl key thing, but seriously...can anyone actually use it in combat? i use the Beeb configuration and my fingers don't bend that way. a far more logical suggestion to me would be to use the Caps/scroll lock, so you flick it on when you get a red status, and turn it off after. you really shouldn't hav eto try and combat keeping one finger awkwardly stretched over pressing on a key.

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 pm

is it possible to add in something to configure the damping/precision control? i'm still finding the ship handling awful compared to how the Beeb ship responded, the damping should - IMHO - be both different for ships of varying sizes and agilities, and configurable by a pilot, the way cars can be remapped and adjusted to improve handling. a search lead me to the Ctrl key thing, but seriously...can anyone actually use it in combat? i use the Beeb configuration and my fingers don't bend that way. a far more logical suggestion to me would be to use the Caps/scroll lock, so you flick it on when you get a red status, and turn it off after. you really shouldn't hav eto try and combat keeping one finger awkwardly stretched over pressing on a key.

Have you seen Keyboard Cobra?

If you want to change the rock and roll of your ships, have a peek at the innards of Hard Way (read the bit about Warp Drive)

Edited to add: Tsoj's remap of his Keyboard (just below) is found here

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 pm

a search lead me to the Ctrl key thing, but seriously...can anyone actually use it in combat?

I use it in almost every combat situation, I find it very useful for small targets. My keyboard layout is configured such that it is very natural to use it (I use the right Ctrl key, and it is right beside the arrow keys, which I use for speed (up, down), laser (right), and ECM (left)).

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:28 pm

What will be the effect on the .oxp's which introduce new key-press combinations?

Theoretically, nothing. If the keypress worked before, it should work after. But testing always helps.

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:43 pm

-- Keyboard / Linux(Ubuntu)

Not being a native Linux speaker, I can't comment too much on these options. If you can reconfigure the keyboard before you get into Oolite, and it works for you, that's great. The idea behind this update is that you should be able to configure the keyboard without needing to do funny things to the underlying keyboard config. However, I've stayed away from making use of things like the Capslock, Numlock and ScrollLock keys. One reason is that the capslock is used by Oolite for a particular purpose (switching on/off the camera controls on the external view), and another is, by their nature, these keys are toggles, which work differently to all the other keys. I'm sticking with the standard keys for now - things are complicated enough as it is!

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 pm

is it possible to add in something to configure the damping/precision control?

The goal of this update was to add keyboard settings inside the game itself, not to change what any of those keys does, or how it works. The idea of using one of the toggle keys for that function sounds like a great change, but it needs to come after we've got our existing controls working successfully as part of this update.

Hi Admiral

things are complicated enough as it is!

!!! big miss understanding !!

the simple trick ( mapping "Space" to "Capslock" ) should show, that
no scancode is used by Oolite/Linux -- thats all

the "Capslock/Omega" example -- should describe further possibilities

matthias

Slartibartfast wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:51 pm

the simple trick ( mapping "Space" to "Capslock" ) should show, that
no scancode is used by Oolite/Linux -- thats all

Ah! Well, with this update, Oolite *will* be using scancodes, that are then translated into a unicode value.

Hi

Oolite *will* be using scancodes, that are then translated into a unicode value.

oh man! -- a lot of work

slartibartfast

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:15 pm

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 pm

is it possible to add in something to configure the damping/precision control? i'm still finding the ship handling awful compared to how the Beeb ship responded, the damping should - IMHO - be both different for ships of varying sizes and agilities, and configurable by a pilot, the way cars can be remapped and adjusted to improve handling. a search lead me to the Ctrl key thing, but seriously...can anyone actually use it in combat? i use the Beeb configuration and my fingers don't bend that way. a far more logical suggestion to me would be to use the Caps/scroll lock, so you flick it on when you get a red status, and turn it off after. you really shouldn't hav eto try and combat keeping one finger awkwardly stretched over pressing on a key.

Have you seen Keyboard Cobra?

i have, it just changes the yaw/roll values, which i've done myself. that doesn't help much - it slows your manoueverability in combat and makes it worse in trying to get a bead on enemies in dogfights when you're in close and zipping all over the place. what i want is agility but damping the result far faster than the stock game does.

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:58 am

what i want is agility but damping the result far faster than the stock game does.

You can try using "flight-arrow-key-precision-factor" = [0.05 ... 1.0] in .GNUstepDefaults to adjust the damping speed.

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:58 am

Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:15 pm

Have you seen Keyboard Cobra?

i have, it just changes the yaw/roll values, which i've done myself. that doesn't help much - it slows your manoueverability in combat and makes it worse in trying to get a bead on enemies in dogfights when you're in close and zipping all over the place. what i want is agility but damping the result far faster than the stock game does.

After playing Oolite for a bit, I eventually bought a HOTAS. It transforms my game, very much for the better. More enjoyable, much more immersive, and more control over my movement for combat (not that I'm much good at it, but it definitely helps me). Ever thought about giving a joystick (or some such) a go?

Joysticks and splines: customisable precision control. Cholly - that HOTAS link seems to go nowhere.

Cody wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:03 am

Joysticks and splines: customisable precision control. Cholly - that HOTAS link seems to go nowhere.

It does now. Thank you!

another_commander wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:05 am

Killer Wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:58 am

what i want is agility but damping the result far faster than the stock game does.

You can try using "flight-arrow-key-precision-factor" = [0.05 ... 1.0] in .GNUstepDefaults to adjust the damping speed.

hmm, i'm not seeing that, just some "humbletrash" entries and save directory etc.