Pythons and their variants

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:17 pm

I currently fly a standard Python, but have recently realised that I cannot fit Military Shields to it.

Therefore thinking about upgrading to either a Python Class Cruiser or a Python ET Special.

According to the Wiki (see links above), the ET Special can use both shield boosters and military shields, and the Class Cruiser military shields but not shield boosters (but has the best cargo capacity).

Because of the cargo capacity was thinking more about the Class Cruiser than the ET Special.

The wiki here states that military shields can only be fitted IF the ship has shield boosters already. But the wiki says that the Class Cruiser can't have shield boosters....?

Now I am confused! (not hard lol)

Can anyone help?

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:34 pm

Need to replace the standard Python because its quite slow compared to the other ships.

CheeseRedux · Post by **CheeseRedux** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:45 pm

While I don't know the answers to your questions, having never flown either ship, there's a reasonably quick and easy way to test this:

Just fly to the nearest Friendly Neighbourhood High Tech planet, buy any old ship you see (to clear out your equipment locker), save the game, then edit the savegame to give you first one, then the other of the two ships. Add a chunk of credits while you're at it, and then start buying equipment. You'll soon enough discover what's not buyable.

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:59 pm

CheeseRedux wrote:
edit the savegame to give you first one, then the other of the two ships. Add a chunk of credits while you're at it, and then start buying equipment. You'll soon enough discover what's not buyable.

Could do that, it's true, but would prefer not to cheat!

CheeseRedux · Post by **CheeseRedux** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:13 pm

JazHaz wrote:
...would prefer not to cheat!

As long as you do this with a savegame you have no intention of keeping, I would classify it as research. YMMV.

allikat · Post by **allikat** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:32 pm

My regular python has the shield booster and the military shield booster.
The military shield booster is very hard to find early in the game, until you've done some military missions (experienced people will tell you exactly which one).
I got mine from a salvage squad asteroid, and was very pleased to find it's been 100% reliable, so much so that somewhere along the line, the "salvaged" tag disappeared from it.

And yes, it's slow, and only has 2 pylons, which often means only 1 missile, because if you intend fighting with a python, you end up keeping a fuel tank on one of the pylons. Fuel injectors = win

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:19 am

G'day JazHazm

May be I can give a wee insight to this.
(MY opinion only.)
The PCC is way better, though it says no shield boosters, the military ones are full on. I use the pcc for cargo stuff as it is a fighter too.
Not too heavy but with heaps of cargo and fight in it.
Others will disagree; And prefer the boa.. which is like trying to drive a london double decker bus around old one lane city streets at 70mph. Easier to ram the attacker than try to shoot them.

That said, every one likes their own ship, so the thing is, is to try a lot of them and dicide what you like to fly. Remember, the ship you fly and the oxpers you load don't alway match.
Noo that's what makes Oolite the best.
Easy or as hard as you wish.

allikat · Post by **allikat** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:44 am

Hrm, maybe something has messed with my save?
The equipment list on my Python (regular, not cruiser or ET) is:
Large cargo bay, ECM, scoops, e-bomb, escape pod, energy unit, docking computers, fuel injectorsm scanner enhancement, multi target system with memory expansion, advanced compass, advanced nav array, shield boosters, military shield enhanced, heat shields, wormhole scanner, bounty scanner, chaff dispenser, ore processor, planetary info system, fore/aft military lasers, stbd mining laser and port beam laser..

Is this somehow wrong? It's a non-hacked save, I picked up the shift in Zaonce, traded it for my starting cobra 3, which had about the same level of equipment.

CptnEcho · Post by **CptnEcho** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:14 pm

The standard Python can be equipped with military shield boosters.

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:40 pm

CptnEcho wrote:
The standard Python can be equipped with military shield boosters.

Not according to the wiki, and even though I've been to TL14 planets I can't buy them.

Maybe the only way to get them is to buy the ship with them already installed, or do a mission that awards them?

allikat · Post by **allikat** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:28 am

Maybe the salvage gangs don't check that it's allowed?

Post by **Eric Walch** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:34 pm

CptnEcho wrote:
The standard Python can be equipped with military shield boosters.

It can't.

From the standard ships only the Asp, Moray, Cobra Mark III, Fer-de-Lance and the Boa Class Cruiser can be equipped with the Military Shield Enhancement

allikat · Post by **allikat** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:09 am

Now this is odd.. how come I could buy a military shield enhancer from the salvage asteroid and fit it? Maybe an OXP has messed with the ship's stats somewhere...

JazHaz · Post by **JazHaz** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:06 am

allikat wrote:
Now this is odd.. how come I could buy a military shield enhancer from the salvage asteroid and fit it? Maybe an OXP has messed with the ship's stats somewhere...

You said it...!

It's Anarchies.oxp that allows it.... Although editting your save has the same effect...

allikat · Post by **allikat** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:46 am

This explains much. So the only way to fit it, is with Anarchies (who never take account of rules anyway

) and to hope and pray that salvaged one works, and you haven't blown a stack of cash on a junker.
Kind of a pot luck solution to getting it.