What is a "carrier"?
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What is a "carrier"?
Stumbled across this page in the wiki: Oolite Carriers
What are they? What is a carrier?
Is it just a ship which can carry other ships? Like the Behemoth & Deep Space Dredger? Or Thargoid Carrier (but why not Thargoids with their 5 thargons?)
But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
And what about other ships? Do the dockable liners count? Emerald & TigerShark? But what about Saga? ...and what about Orisis?
Or the large Aquatics? HammerHead Hauler Carrier? Conger with rotating thingummies? Leviathan Systems Platform?
And what about the Imperial Star Destroyer?
What are they? What is a carrier?
Is it just a ship which can carry other ships? Like the Behemoth & Deep Space Dredger? Or Thargoid Carrier (but why not Thargoids with their 5 thargons?)
But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
And what about other ships? Do the dockable liners count? Emerald & TigerShark? But what about Saga? ...and what about Orisis?
Or the large Aquatics? HammerHead Hauler Carrier? Conger with rotating thingummies? Leviathan Systems Platform?
And what about the Imperial Star Destroyer?
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•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
Seems the definition can be applied to most any ship with a docking bay. There ought to be some martial application I feel.
I know I intended the Leviathan to be one. But not the hOopy Casino.
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
I think every ship with a docking bay could be called a carrier. Some designs for large ships just use the space for additional cargo/passenger areas, and therefore got no dock. Thargons are like drones, so no hangar required.
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
But then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
Comments wanted:
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
Well, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 amBut then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
A better reason for classifying bulk haulers with carriers is they all have the same problem -- they cannot fit through a standard main station docking port...and thus cannot dock with most stations.montana05 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:05 amWell, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 amBut then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
True, but bulk haulers do have docks and therefore could "carry" ships.Switeck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:04 amA better reason for classifying bulk haulers with carriers is they all have the same problem -- they cannot fit through a standard main station docking port...and thus cannot dock with most stations.montana05 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:05 amWell, probably because they (should) be too large to land on a planet and therefore need additional ships for loading/unloading.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:55 amBut then what about the bulk haulers? Why are they included?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
But do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:16 amTrue, but bulk haulers do have docks and therefore could "carry" ships.
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•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
ADCK's bulk hauler and super bulk hauler have, not sure if all of them. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Hammerhead to my believing is not classified as dockable.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:35 amBut do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
"Dockable": the page was constructed by ADCK (possibly to advertise his ships?) in 2010 and has not been touched since. I do not know his definition, I now know yours and Switeck's. I'm hoping that one or two others might chip in too and then I might be able to make some sensible decisions as to what to do with the page.montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:40 amADCK's bulk hauler and super bulk hauler have, not sure if all of them. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Hammerhead to my believing is not classified as dockable.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:35 amBut do they have docks? What about the Hammerhead (Aquatics)?
Your definition fits in with the way I feel (but I don't know), but Switeck's seems to accord more with ADCK's.
Reference: Hammerhead "carrier":
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•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
Hammerhead is a cargo carrier, but I just checked the shipdata.plist, no dock.
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
I suspected as much, hence my reference.
But do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.
If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.
Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012
Comments wanted:
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
Yes, all variants of ADCK's Bulk Haulers and Super Bulk Haulers have docks. I just made a note to myself that this package needs conversation and an overhaul before I can add it to the expansion manager.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pmBut do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.
If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.
Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012
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Re: What is a "carrier"?
Right. So we go with your definition then, unless there is a good argument against.montana05 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:57 pmYes, all variants of ADCK's Bulk Haulers and Super Bulk Haulers have docks. I just made a note to myself that this package needs conversation and an overhaul before I can add it to the expansion manager.Cholmondely wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pmBut do ADCK's heavy haulers have a dock? Again, I suspect not.
If you can check that out, then we can decide what to do with the wiki page (https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Carriers). It's part of a set of 4.
Oolite Ships is just Vanilla game ships.
Oolite Stations is the pretty pictures counterpart to the lists of oxp's (Category:Oolite stations & Category:Dockables OXPs)
Oolite Miscellaneous dates back to 2010 too, with one addition by Maik in 2012
So with liners, docks are implied for Aurora, Saga & Orisis, despite presumably being absent from the shipdata.plist
So does one include them, as they are described as such, despite not being such in "game terms"? What do you think?
Comments wanted:
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?
•Missing OXPs? What do you think is missing?
•Lore: The economics of ship building How many built for Aronar?
•Lore: The Space Traders Flight Training Manual: Cowell & MgRath Do you agree with Redspear?