Missile malfunction - bug or feature?

[Norby]

cargo canisters etc still don't decelerate.

Put this into AddOns/Your.oxp/Config/shipdata-overrides.plist and cargo ejected from a stationary ship will stop at 1km:

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{ "oolite_template_barrel" = { thrust = 1; }; }

[Diziet Sma]

cargo canisters etc still don't decelerate.

Put this into AddOns/Your.oxp/Config/shipdata-overrides.plist and cargo ejected from a stationary ship will stop at 1km:

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{ "oolite_template_barrel" = { thrust = 1; }; }

Hehehe.. cargo canisters with engines? Think I'll pass..

[Disembodied]

But cargo canisters etc still don't decelerate.

Anyway, my point was that the thing to do is what makes most sense gameplay/balancing wise. Even at cruising speed a fast ship can outrun a missile so-so (it comes nearer but the fuel is consumed in time). Adding the firing ship's speed destroys that.

I agree - I think missiles that are launched at injector speeds should slow down to their standard maximum speed when their own engines kick in/grip the phlogiston (after all, ships slow down when you turn off their injectors: we're not talking Newtonian physics here, clearly - cargo canisters are unpowered and ballistic, but give something an engine and it should obey the rules of that engine). Although as Anonymissimus says, this is for gameplay reasons, to avoid creating superfast missiles - I doubt the AI has sufficient smarts to be able to cope with this tactic, offensively or defensively.

It makes firing missiles while injecting a dangerous proposition - but using ordnance at high velocities has always carried a risk:
http://www.aerofiles.com/tiger-tail.html

[Norby]

cargo canisters with engines?

No, it is only the friction of Oospace. The canisters still has not any pilots (AI) who can increase the throttle from zero so can break only.

[Diziet Sma]

cargo canisters with engines?

No, it is only the friction of Oospace. The canisters still has not any pilots (AI) who can increase the throttle from zero so can break only.

I was aware of that.. was making a bad joke.. sorry..

[Fritz]

Cargo canisters dropped at injector speed are a bit annoying because it is almost impossible to pick them up. It is especially annoying when they are dropped as a "sign of good will" which often happens while fleeing at injector speed. And these people wonder why I attack them again!

[avder]

The way a missile ought to be fired is when it's created it inherits the creating objects speed and direction at the point of launch, but is also given another boost perpendicular to the direction of travel to get it away from the ship. Then when the engine kicks in it can accelerate/decelerate whatever.

Have the ooniverse treat it like a cargo container with an extra bit of thrust away from the firing ship for that first half second, then when its engines kick in it can be effected by the same applied phlebotinum effect that allows ships to stop dead in space over a planet and get the missile to its own max speed.

For fun, have a missile alert happen when a missiles engine kicks in instead of when it's launched.

One thing I've been doing in game that seems to help is I try to pull my nose up as I'm launching.

[Diziet Sma]

The way a missile ought to be fired is when it's created it inherits the creating objects speed and direction at the point of launch, but is also given another boost perpendicular to the direction of travel to get it away from the ship. Then when the engine kicks in it can accelerate/decelerate whatever.

Have the ooniverse treat it like a cargo container with an extra bit of thrust away from the firing ship for that first half second, then when its engines kick in it can be effected by the same applied phlebotinum effect that allows ships to stop dead in space over a planet and get the missile to its own max speed.

For fun, have a missile alert happen when a missiles engine kicks in instead of when it's launched.

I like these suggestions..

[Stormrider]

avder wrote:
The way a missile ought to be fired is when it's created it inherits the creating objects speed and direction at the point of launch, but is also given another boost perpendicular to the direction of travel to get it away from the ship. Then when the engine kicks in it can accelerate/decelerate whatever.

Have the ooniverse treat it like a cargo container with an extra bit of thrust away from the firing ship for that first half second, then when its engines kick in it can be effected by the same applied phlebotinum effect that allows ships to stop dead in space over a planet and get the missile to its own max speed.

For fun, have a missile alert happen when a missiles engine kicks in instead of when it's launched.

I like these suggestions..

Me too.
I did look at the Cobra again recently, though, and realized that the missile launch position is only 0.5 (half a yard/meter) below the ship, not much really, but enough so there hasn't been a problem with it. Considering this I don't believe much perpendicular boost would be necessary. It may be easier to simply adjust the shipdata.plists as cim suggests as it simulates the same effect and its such a small amount I don't think you will really notice it visually.

Although as Anonymissimus says, this is for gameplay reasons, to avoid creating superfast missiles - I doubt the AI has sufficient smarts to be able to cope with this tactic, offensively or defensively.

Sure, I see your point, it probably is more balanced to keep core missiles at a reasonable speed.

It makes firing missiles while injecting a dangerous proposition - but using ordnance at high velocities has always carried a risk:

What an amazing story, thanks for the link. Poor fellow, what were they thinking .

[Norby]

simply adjust the shipdata.plists

I am afraid we can not do it in all OXP ships. I think the best is either:
- release the brakes by setting missile thrust to 0 during the first second like in my fix,
-or ignite the engines right at start.