Re: Elite: Dangerous - and the return

[Cody]

Thanks, amigo - fixed!

[Diziet Sma]

Well, now I guess we've seen a sample of the "contextually appropriate" in-game advertising mentioned in the EULA, that I raised hell about on the ED forums.

Very sad to see, Frontier. Congratulations on meeting the low expectations I had of you, after discovering that clause.

[Ranthe]

Well, now I guess we've seen a sample of the "contextually appropriate" in-game advertising mentioned in the EULA, that I raised hell about on the ED forums.

Very sad to see, Frontier. Congratulations on meeting the low expectations I had of you, after discovering that clause.

Once again, it seems the main value of 'customers' in the 21st Century is being a tame set of eyeballs for the advertising types... paying for something and STILL getting advertising stuck in your face seems like a really bad deal.

Give me the silly Oolite in-game 'advertisements' for "Uncle Ump's Umpty Candy" and "Roobik's 4D Tesseract Game (for combating Bored Anaconda Pilot Syndrome)" any day

[ClymAngus]

Dangerous forums are doing my head in.

Traders bitching about being killed by pirates.

Pirates bitching about traders who would rather press space than drop cargo.

Or

Bitching about traders who use slight of hand game mechanics to make themselves practically invincible.

PVP sucks ass. I'd much rather improve a game than be constantly looking over my shoulder waiting for some mouth in a jump suit to take my pain away.
Syndicated it maybe, the future it maybe. By god it's a tit for tat human emotional mess of hate and pain.

I just feel like the whole thing is a very pretty puppet show. I've got better things to do. Sorry, not liking the universe. It's populated with dicks.

[Disembodied]

Syndicated it maybe, the future it maybe. By god it's a tit for tat human emotional mess of hate and pain.

I'm starting to think the only way to make PvP work is for death to mean death. If you've got the reload and restart option, then it's easy not to roleplay. There's an interesting article from the New Scientist about this, about a PvP FPS with permadeath called DayZ.

[Cody]

I'm starting to think the only way to make PvP work is for death to mean death.

Little chance of that in ED - even the once-planned (but not implemented) Ironman mode had a safety-net! <shakes head in disgust>
I have absolutely no interest in PvP - it's Solo mode all the way for me. If they start to screw with Solo mode, I'll simply walk away!

[ClymAngus]

I don't usually cherry pick from the bible but there is a passage in that book which has specific pertinence to this discussion:
Corinthians 15

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

“Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

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(sung to tiptoe through the tulips)
Tip toe through the deathless, with the stingless,
That is where we'll be,
Come tip toe through immortality, with meeeee.

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Yeah. I'm reading you loud and clear on this one. Still seeing some play throughs of Dayz it doesn't stop people axe murdering each other. They're just a little better at ambushing.

These people would rather screw each other over for a credit than actually make something.
It's depressing.

[Disembodied]

Still seeing some play throughs of Dayz it doesn't stop people axe murdering each other. They're just a little better at ambushing.

Yes, it's still a game (and one in a fairly brutal setting, at that). And a death-means-death approach isn't necessarily the best feature for a game like E:D, either. Some sort of significant consequence could be interesting, though - like putting the player's character on a 24-hour (or even a 2-hour) lockout, say. But you'll make more money from attracting hordes of angry adolescents (of all ages) instead, especially if you're selling them in-game advertising too.

[ClymAngus]

I'm not down on the theory. The theory is cool. There just appears to be no way of stopping people acting like assholes if the game will let them.
Doesn't say much for the human race really.

[Disembodied]

There just appears to be no way of stopping people acting like assholes

Indeed - pretty much sums up the whole of moral and political philosophy, not to mention history and economics, right there ...

[Diziet Sma]

There just appears to be no way of stopping people acting like assholes if the game will let them.
Doesn't say much for the human race really.

I think it says a lot more about our culture than it says about our species.

[ClymAngus]

If I'm honest I really dislike the misplaced superiority of online pvp gaming. This strange idea that just because your turning some poor hapless person into digital spaghetti that your 100% more man than someone playing solo.

If you apply this principle to other areas of human endeavour it becomes ludicrous. All you solitaire playing bi**hes just can't hack a manly game of partnership whist or man up you bunch of pu**ies and play bridge with the real MEN.

Your a limp wristed round the clock player, who p*sses themselves at the thought of playing the MANS game of 501 darts!

I physically can't understand their basis for perceived superiority. Am I missing something fundamental to the male human psyche here?

[Diziet Sma]

I physically can't understand their basis for perceived superiority. Am I missing something fundamental to the male human psyche here?

They've been steeped in a toxic cultural mindset since birth.. those of us that are immune to/outgrew the brainwashing have a hard time understanding those who swallow it hook, line and sinker.

[Cody]

.. those of us that are immune to/outgrew the brainwashing have a hard time understanding those who swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Ain't that the truth! In other news...

To be eligible to win one of the five cards, CMDRs taking part in this competition must remain in Open Play from the moment they obtain the Titan Black, to after they have sold it at Godel Ring.

[ClymAngus]

Oh! A nice game of watch the piranhas eat each other?
Joy!

I thought a titan black was a brand of condom?