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by spara
Sat May 01, 2021 2:17 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

A quick revisit on positioning of the station and markets. I was just going to make the thing work, but since quite a lot has changed in the core since the oxp was made, I'm going to take this opportunity to make some things better. Oolite takes place in 3D space and postitioning+orientation is done...
by spara
Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

You could get similar results by changing location to PLANET_ORBIT and setting a static location seed, rather than using coordinates. Marginally more efficient, doesn't break if the main station happens to be exactly in front of or behind the planet, and shortens the OXP code a bit. This is a sound...
by spara
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

I've no issue with spawning at the TC on game load, but I lose access to 'Speciality Cargo' in the F4 screen; F3 includes an option to renew subscription to TraderNet, F5 confirms current access & if I launch / re-dock, the welcome screen appears as expected & SpecCargo is restored to F4. R...
by spara
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:33 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

With deterministic secondary stations, the game also saves secondary markets on save so it probably messes the tests. What I have done, is to have a save on Zaonce main station from before the populator change. Every time I load that specific save, the Sothis is populated "the first time",...
by spara
Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:04 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Ooh! ... and what happens with markets with more than 127 units? When I've encountered them, I was never able to sell in to them. Is this a hard-coded issue, or is it tweakable? I can't reproduce this. I changed SothisTC's market_capacity to 300, quantity_multiplier to 2 and quantity_randomiser to ...
by spara
Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:49 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Oh! ... and what the dickens is a nestmarket? I can find nary a trace on either the wiki or here on the BB. Nestmarket is the internal name of the special market defined for Wasps.oxp. The old style and non functional definition of the market can be found from the commodities.plist of the Wasps.oxp...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:00 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Oolite works so that it first reads all definitions from all shipdata.plist files around. There's one in the core game resources and up to one in every oxp. After that Oolite reads all the definitions in shipdata-overrides.plist files on top of the previously read definitions. This allows us to cre...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:19 pm
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Let's fix the market (F8) For this we'll ned to tweak shipdata. We are not going to change anything in the Sothis oxp, but let's have a quick look at its shipdata.plist just for fun. The only trace of any market definition is the commented out line saying // market="nestmarket" . That most...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Btw I am currently "borrowing" from your Random Hits OXP for my drug cartel biospheres, my respect, your collection in descriptions.plist is outstanding. I wish I could take any credit on those. With RandomHits, I just upgraded the OXP to the current standards and adopted the OXP for main...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

The idea of expanding the ship-market is an interesting one. With the current version of Oolite it's possible to tamper with the shipyard. Previously the shipyard just was or wasn't. Maybe there could be a wide selection of ships suitable for interstellar cargo transport available from Sothises? Lik...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:11 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

Next step would be fixing the market. Do you want to be ambitious and create a market with some flavor or shall we just go with the standard market? Bold suggestion of mine, how about creating a new market similar to the rock hermits in the core ? :wink: Definitely a new market, but the big questio...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:38 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

cheers! You're welcome :) Red Herring : Are there larger versions of the trade route maps (c.200Kb each) from the SothisTC.oxp which I could use in the wiki? Here is a link to the original G1 map: http://www.crimsonforge.co.uk/cloister/OOmap_G1.pdf . Change the name of the pdf to get the other sect...
by spara
Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:38 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)
Replies: 89
Views: 62539

Re: MasterClass: How to OXP (updating SoThisTC)

When something goes south, check your log for clues. Is there something alarming in the log?
by spara
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 am
Forum: Expansion Pack
Topic: Random Station Names OXP (Development Thread)
Replies: 117
Views: 107521

Re: Random Station Names OXP (Development Thread)

:D Love it. So Sothis stations could be supremely run by an insectoid race and there most likely is a queen somewhere calling all the shots. Does that suggest Troomp is an insectoid queen? Now this is a twist. Galactic News Network should dig into this. Then again, as they so often say: "We jus...
by spara
Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:51 am
Forum: Outworld
Topic: Spaceship Found in a Car Boot Sale
Replies: 50
Views: 28296

Re: Spaceship Found in a Car Boot Sale

Well, I wasn't wrong about not having this around for long - I listed it on eBay at £35 on Saturday evening, was offered £27.50 a couple of hours later, counter-offered £30 before I went to bed, and woke up to find it sold. Which makes me think I should have offered it at £40 or more to begin with,...